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KIA CARNIVAL 2000 KIA CLASS ACTION - REGISTRATION CLOSES FRIDAY 16 OCTOBER 2009 6/10/2009
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Duncan Basheer Hannon Lawyers have been engaged to commence a class action against Kia Motors Australia in relation to the economic loss suffered as a result of the alleged defects of the Kia Carnival Sedan.
John Caruso is a Senior Associate of Duncan Basheer Hannon who is handling the matter.
To register your interest in the class action, please send your name and contact details to jcaruso@dbh.com.au
Duncan Basheer Hannon will then send you out an information letter and registration form. If you decide to join the class action you must fill out the registration form and pay an administration fee of $550.00 (inclusive of GST) by no later than Friday 16 October 2009.
Please note that Duncan Basheer Hannon will assess the merits of your claim and if you do not fit within the definition of the class action, we will refund your administration fee.
* Registration closes Friday 16 October 2009 *
STELLA KASSAPIDIS
- ADELAIDE, SA - AUS
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FORD TERRITORY GHIA 2005 INTERMITTENT LOSS OF BRAKING POWER 5/09/2009
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I am writing to advise I purchased a brand new Ford Territory Ghia in late 2006. I have complained numerous times about my brakes not working and rolling forward once in a stationary position with the engine running. I had the most recent service done through a different outlet approx 4 weeks ago and they explained they had checked all the problems I had complained about especially this brake episode.
It is an intermittent fault and luckily until just recently I have not had my children in the car. However a few days ago I had a car accident involving the brake pedal dropping to the floor the steering locked and the car shut down hence there was no control of my vehicle and the only stopping power I had was running straight into a pole. My child was with me this time.
I went to hospital via ambulance and my child was taken elsewhere. I am not happy with this and no one wants to take any responsibility for what has happened and have been advised my insurance company needs to deal with this. I however have complained so many times and been reassured each time that there is no problem with the vehicle and have had to have roadside assistance called out on many occasions as there seems to be so much power draining the battery. At this point I do not want my vehicle back am too scared to drive it but unfortunately I have been left to deal with all costs related to fix this when it is a fault of the vehicle.
This is the first time I have purchased a Ford and am extremely concerned with this outcome and do not believe it is acceptable. From day one the dash board was playing up also with the airbag light staying on and the DVD player doing strange things.
BELINDA CHOUJAA
- ADELAIDE, SA - AUS
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HOLDEN BARINA SRI 2001 RE: STARTER MOTOR ISSUES, TRACTION CONTROL & CHECK ENGINE LIGHTS STAYING ON 4/09/2009
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Just an update on since my first post in May 2008. The outcome of the problems experienced then was that I had to replace the ECU and battery which cost just over $2,000.
Since then the car has been fine until I took it into my local Holden Dealer for its 60,000Km service in August 09 (cost $970). The car was running absolutely fine when I took it in but within days of the service, I started to experience problems with stalling and lack of power at low speeds. I took it back to Holden who had the car for a day but could not detect any fault. After discussions with one of the service people (who was unaware when looking at the car earlier that it had just been in for a 60,000 service) he suggested it might be something to do with the timing belt (which had been changed during the service).
So back again for another day for the timing belt to be looked at and as suggested by Holden, a carbon clean injector service and throttle balancing and idle reset service for another $400 - all of which were ruled out by Holden as causing the problem. Apparently the car was running "better" but there was still a problem so it needed to stay in overnight for a cold start test. The cold start proved inconclusive so another call and more time (and money) needed to investigate if it was a coil ignition / coil pack problem. Again, this has been ruled out as being the cause of the fault so the car is still at the Holden garage. I am car-less and they appear clueless as to what is the problem. Apparently the fact that these problems have arisen after a routine 60,000km service is pure "coincidence".
Unbelievably frustrating!
Jen in Sydney who posted a comment in May 09, if you can contact me off post I'd be grateful as I appear to have deleted your email. Thanks
TRACEY WILSON
- ADELAIDE, SA
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CARAVANS JAYCO FLITE 2007 RE: JAYCO STERLING 2006 A **** 21/08/2009
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We bought a Jayco Flite new in late 2007. Our first camping trip revealed the following problems:
1. Plumbing (black poly) was not completed correctly with red plastic clips left off all joints. Plumbing leaked in cupboard right next to electrical inverter. Fortunately no water actually reached the electrical equipment. This could have been life threatening!
2. Bolts incorrectly installed on windup cable brackets were rubbing on the cables. This fault was fortunately discovered when looking for the plumbing leaks. Better this was found early on rather than having a broken cable in some remote spot!
3. Windup cable rubbing on timber work due to poor design. I modified the problem area and easily solved it.
3. Sink waste water connection leaked into cupboard if plug was completely removed from sink to allow unrestricted water flow. This is due to poor design. We modified this ourselves and fixed the problem.
Repair under warranty was good otherwise through a Jayco agent in Bunbury WA.
In all other respects we have been very satisfied with the quality of the Flite. The impression is that Jayco may have been building too many units and that quality in some areas has slipped badly. Maybe the plumbers and cabinet makers were still learning!
BERNIE VAN NIEKERK
- NARROGIN, WA - AUS
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PRESS-RELEASE AAA 2009 MANDATING ESC WILL SAVE LIVES 23/06/2009
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Australia’s peak motoring organisation, the Australian Automobile Association, today welcomed the Federal Government’s announcement it will mandate the internationally recognised vehicle safety technology, Electronic Stability Control, from November 2011.
AAA Executive Director, Mike Harris, said the Government move to bring in ESC would prevent crashes, particularly single-vehicle crashes, reduce road trauma and save lives.
“AAA and Australia’s motoring clubs have been advocating for the mandate of ESC as soon as possible for some time, and we welcome this initiative which will see it in all new passenger vehicles from November 2011 and on all models from November 2013,” Mr Harris said.
“ESC is a proven life-saver – research from the Monash University Accident Research Centre (MUARC) showed ESC is particularly effective in reducing single vehicle accidents – a 27 per cent reduction in single car crashes and 68 per cent reduction in single-vehicle 4WD crashes.
“This is a major initiative in the safety and interests of millions of Australian motorists and their families.”
AAA AUSTRALIAN AUTOMOBILE ASSOCIATION
- CANBERRA, ACT - AUS
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CITROEN C4 2006 C4 WORST BUY EVER MADE 19/06/2009
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C4 Worst Buy Ever Made
My wife and I bought two C4 Citroens and two years later following 64 "authorised" dealer visits for repair (three times by tow truck) and 235 days off the road I think I can safely state the C4, 4 speed auto as a safe and reliable vehicle and the service back up in Australia is somewhat below standard.
Issues suffered with cars:
- gearbox faulty leading to transmission replacement (both cars) - ongoing gearbox problems (both cars unresolved) - engine oil leak - engine head change - cooling system failure leading to overheating resulting in cooling system change. (both cars) - speed sensor failure (numerous times - unresolved) - engine failure / cut out at speed (unresolved) - instrument failure (both cars - unresolved) - headlight failure (only at night - unresolved) - wind screen wiper failure (only when raining - unresolved) - doors locking and unlocking by themselves - ignition failure (unresolved) - computer set for wrong size wheels - ABS failure (both cars) - CD failure (both cars) - sudden acceleration without warning. - heater hose leak (numerous times) - handbrake jammed on (numerous times) - engine computer failure (both cars) - electric windows winding down of own accord - complete electronics / dash black out - unresolved - all warning lights flashing and steering wheel controls lose function (both cars unresolved) - three complete breakdowns requiring towing.
The two "authorised dealers" that the cars were directed to by the importer have been now deemed not to be "authorised dealers". The first we were told was incompetent and the other no reason was given even though the importer directed our cars there for three months after the "approval had been rescinded". The importer stated the second agent was a specialist with problem Citroens.
A check of Citroen websites show that nearly all the issues are known, yet the Australian "authorised" service agents repeatedly state that the computer "shows no failure codes". Yet physically the cars are continually breaking down.
In short 1 in every 4 days one of our C4's has been off the road.
Our emails to the Australian importer are now being returned as deleted/unread.
All I can say is anyone interested in buying a Citroen my advice based on my wife and my experiences with the two C4's and the follow up service support is - don't.
PETER MEYWES
- SYDNEY, NSW - AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL LS 2002 LETTER TO THE ACCC URGENT! 10/06/2009
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I wish I could say more or tell you more, but I am aware KIA keeps an eye on this website to see what consumers are saying or doing so I don't want to tip them off. Most of you who have corresponded with me over the years have written to the ACCC however a significant number have not.
When I speak to the ACCC & tell them there are thousands of engine failures they look into their files & only see a handful of complaints & are then reluctant to act as the problem appears to be small? But we know different we only need to look at our bank accounts. If you are happy for KIA to get away with this simply do nothing & that is exactly what will happen.
If you want to make KIA pay now is the time to act. As I said I can't say much you have to trust me. Post of fax the letter below Now. Next month may be too late. Below is a copy of a letter a number of people have sent to the ACCC regarding complaints about the engine failures in KIA Carnivals over the years.
If you have not already sent in a complaint to the ACCC it is Vital you do so now! Simply copy the letter below add your name & address, change the address to your states ACCC office & then post or fax it to your states ACCC office.
Don't give up yet, KIA will pay in the end. The Australian consumer law is on our side.
PS: Thanks for everyone's kind words & support
(The address for your states ACCC office is at the bottom of this letter copy & paste it in removing the WA address if you’re not from WA)
Mr. Suffering Consumer 2002 Your Street Sydney NSW 2000 Date: June 2009
Australian Competition & Consumer Commission PO Box: **** Perth Western Australia 6000
Dear Sir,
I am writing to you to bring to your attention & seek your assistance regarding breaches of the Trade Practices Act 1974 by KIA Motors Australia & ATECO Automotive.
I am aware that there have been numerous reports regarding this matter that have been lodged with various State Consumer Affair Departments. To date no action has been taken by State Consumer Affair Departments on behalf of their consumers against either KIA Motors or ATECO Automotive for breaching their own states consumer legislation. Instead these State Consumer Affair Departments has simply directed consumers effected to commence their own action as individuals against KIA & ATECO.
The Trade Practices Act 1974 has provisions that all goods sold & distributed in Australia must be of “Merchantable Quality”. ATECO Automotive & KIA Motors imported & sold KIA Carnival vehicles between 1999 & 2002. These KIA Carnivals vehicles had engines installed in them that have an acknowledged manufacturing defect & design fault in all of these engines with failure rates in excess of 75%. This high failure rate is well above any automotive industry standard including any other KIA motor vehicle.
I understand that all vehicles from time to time will develop unforeseen faults during their lifetime & failures from time to time in a handful of vehicles will occur. If this was the case with KIA Carnival vehicles imported into Australia between 1999 & 2002 it could have been be put down to a handful of unfortunate circumstances & no greater than acceptable industry standards. However KIA Carnival vehicles that were imported & distributed in Australia between 1999 & 2002 did have defective engines that both the ATECO & KIA were aware of & continued to distribute in breach of & the Trade Practices Act. Further in my letter I can demonstrate how thousands of Australian consumers would have been affected by these defective engines & why it is imperative the ACCC investigates & acts regarding this matter.
KIA Motors Australia has already acknowledged that a problem exists with these engines, however they have managed to avoid repairing or replacing affected engines despite their obligation to do so under provisions of the Trade Practice Act 1974. I understand that both ATECO Automotive as the Australian importer of these vehicles & KIA Motors as the Manufacturer of these vehicles would be equally liable for importing & distributing goods that were not of merchantable quality & that when they did become aware that there was a problem with the Merchantable Quality of their vehicles engines they failed to bring them up to merchantable quality as required under the act.
ATECO Automotive & KIA Motors have both managed to avoid their obligations to Australian consumers to rectify these defective engines because State Consumer Affair Departments have not properly investigated complaints they have received from Australian consumers that have been affected, nor have they sought redress on behalf of Australian consumers from either ATECO Automotive or KIA Motors. Instead State Consumer Affair Departments have chosen to take the easiest course of action available to them & are simply directing Australian consumers to seek redress through the Courts themselves.
I find it difficult to understand why thousands of individual Australian consumers who are affected by KIA Motors & ATECO Automotive failure to supply engines that were of “Merchantable Quality” are having to commence their own individual action through State Courts & Consumer Tribunals when there are State Consumer Authorities & the ACCC who job it should be to ensure that manufactures & importers of goods sold in Australia comply with Australian consumer legislation.
My understanding is that the Parliament of Australia has under the Trade Practice Act of 1974 empowered the ACCC to enforce the “Merchantable Quality” provisions of the Trade Practice Act 1974. I would like to call on the ACCC to investigate & review the case history regarding the engines fitted to all KIA Carnival vehicles sold between 1999 & 2002. I have outlined some background & details on the extent of these engine failures below & ask that the ACCC take into consideration the scope of the problem bearing in mind the thousands of consumers throughout Australia that have been affected in the past & likely to be affected in the future. This problem is bigger than me as an individual consumer with a defective engine, thousands of consumers have been let down by their State Consumer Affairs Departments lack of action regarding this matter & believe the time has come for the ACCC to act. ATECO Automotive & KIA Motors Australia are responsible for importing & distributing KIA Carnivals with these defective engines & should therefore be held responsible for the entire costs to repair these engines when they fail.. KIA Motors & ATECO Automotive were aware the defect existed, therefore when these engines do fail it is unreasonable for them to expect Australian consumers to incur the costs involved in repairing their defective engines.
Under the Trade Practices Act 1974, Kia Motors Australia & ATECO were obliged to supply goods of a merchantable quality. I understand that ATECO & Kia Motors Australia were well aware of the defects in their engines used in Kia Carnivals manufactured from 1999 up to 2002. By 2000 defective engines were of sufficient concern to KIA’s Australian importer ATECO Automotive for them to recommend to KIA Motors in South Korea a recall of all vehicles to have the defective engine replaced. KIA Motors failed to do so and instead, continued to distribute vehicles with a known engine defect till the end of 2002 in clear indifference to the Merchantable Quality provisions of The Trade Practice Act of 1974.
At the end of 2000 ATECO Automotive & KIA Motors would have been aware that the engine fitted their KIA Carnival vehicles were not of merchantable quality and therefore should not have been sold or released into the Australian market in breach of the Trade Practices Act of 1974. Yet both companies continued importing & selling these vehicles to Australian consumers till the end of 2002 for financial gain.
Under the Trade Practice Act of 1974:
• KIA Motors Australia & ATECO Automotive was obliged to hold the vehicle back from sale and rectify these known manufacturing defects. • KIA Motors & ATECO Automotive had an obligation to consumers to supply goods that are of merchantable quality, these obligations were never fulfilled. • KIA Motors & ATECO Automotive knowingly released defective goods into the Australian Market in contravention of the Trade Practices Act 1974 for their own commercial advantage. • KIA Motors & ATECO Automotive chose to accept the commercial risk involved in releasing vehicles with a known defective engine into the Australian market. There should be no reason why Australian consumers affected by these defective engines should be made to carry the costs involved in undertaking repairs. • Under the Trade Practices Act 1974 importers of goods are required to supply goods free of defects or faults. KIA Motors should have been well aware of the faulty nature of their engine, with Kia Carnivals suffering a failure rate of 50% many at extremely low mileage (20,000 – 25,000 KM) • These KIA Carnival vehicles were never of merchantable quality as required by the Trade Practice Act.
I would also like to draw your attention to an article on the web in March 2006 by Neil McDonald: www1.autotrader.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/carshowroomstory?ReadForm&ID=CC54D05C5F69762DCA257139008252AD
A simple analysis of the information Neil Mc Donald has provided in his article would show the following: KIA Australia sold 7800 vehicles during this period of time with 5200 engine failures plus 580 multiple failures (let’s assume 2 failures & not 3 or 4) = 5780 which works out to 74% or if you left the multiple failures out it still works out to approx 66%.
Neil Mc Donald article was written in March 2006 & is very likely to have been compiled based on data from an earlier period, perhaps the end 2005 but let us assume his data is based on engine failures to the end of Feb 2006 we are now in January 2008. By December 2007 22 months would have passed since Neil Mc Donald wrote his article I have no doubt that the rate of engine failures in KIA Carnivals has not slowed. E.G.: Sept 1999 - Feb 2006 = 5 Years 3 Months = 63 months. 5200 engine failures divided by 63 months= 82 failures per month. March 2006 - December 2007= 22 Months x 82 failures per month= 1804 1804 + 5200 original failures = 7004 failures or 89.8% of the 7800 vehicles sold. (74% – 90% Failure rate merchantable quality?)
Naturally the numbers above can only be confirmed by ATECO & KIA Motors if they had the courage to disclose them. Only a public authority like the ACCC has the power to compel KIA Motors & ATECO Automotive to disclose the correct figure. The failure rates of these engines outlined above are far in excess of any industry standard. (Even KIA’s own standards)
I am not asking the ACCC to make a comparison of the Merchantable Quality of a BMW against a KIA motor vehicle from Korea. Failure rates this high are well outside even KIA’s own standards & clearly demonstrate that these engines were never of “Merchantable Quality” as required by Australian law.
Kia Motors & ATECO Automotive were aware of the problems associated with engines fitted to their Carnivals model vehicles between 1999 -2002. Kia Motors & ATECO Automotive has avoided & continues to avoid their obligations under the Trade Practices Act to provide goods that were of “Merchantable Quality”. Their actions has caused & continues to cause severe financial hardship to thousands of innocent unsuspecting Australian consumers yet no public authority in Australia appears willing to accept responsibility to bring ATECO Automotive & KIA Motors to account. I’m imploring the ACCC to investigate the issues I have brought to attention & use your powers under the Trade Practice Act of 1974 compel both of these companies to fulfill their legal obligations to Australian consumers.
Please contact me and let me know of the status of my complaint. You are welcome to call me on **** during business hours, or **** after hours, should you require any further information or clarifications. Thank you for giving my submission your consideration, I look forward to your response in the near future.
Yours sincerely,
Dale Morris
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Adelaide office
Level 2 19 Grenfell Street Adelaide SA 5001 Postal address: GPO Box 922 Adelaide SA 5001 Phone and fax numbers: Ph: (08) 8213 3444 Fax: (08) 8410 4155
Brisbane office
Level 3 500 Queen Street Brisbane Qld 4000 Postal address: PO Box 10048 Brisbane Qld 4000 Phone and fax numbers: Ph: (07) 3835 4666 Fax: (07) 3832 0372
Canberra office
23 Marcus Clarke Street Canberra ACT 2601 Postal address: GPO Box 3131 Canberra ACT 2601 Phone and fax numbers: Phone general: (02) 6243 1111 Fax: (02) 6243 1199
Darwin office
Level 8 National Mutual Centre 9-11 Cavenagh St DARWIN NT 0800 Postal address: GPO Box 3056 DARWIN NT 0801 Phone and fax numbers: Ph - general: (08) 8946 9666 Fax: (08) 8946 9600
Hobart office
3rd Floor, AMP Building 86 Collins Street (Cnr Elizabeth & Collins Streets) Hobart Tas 7000 Postal address: GPO Box 1210 Hobart Tas 7001 Phone and fax numbers: Ph: (03) 6215 9333 Fax: (03) 6234 7796
Melbourne office
Level 35, The Tower 360 Elizabeth Street Melbourne Central Melbourne Vic 3000 Postal address: GPO Box 520 Melbourne Vic 3001 Phone and fax numbers: Ph: (03) 9290 1800 Fax: (03) 9663 3699
Perth office Street address: 3rd floor, East Point Plaza 233 Adelaide Terrace Perth WA 6000 Postal address: PO Box 6381 East Perth WA 6892 Phone and fax numbers: Ph: (08) 9325 0600 Fax: (08) 9325 5976
Sydney office
Level 7, Angel Place 123 Pitt Street (between Hunter Street and Martin Place) Sydney NSW 2000 Postal address: GPO Box 3648 Sydney NSW 2001 Phone and fax numbers: Ph: (02) 9230 9133 Fax: (02) 9223 1092
DALE MORRIS
- WOODVALE, WA - AUS
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NISSAN PATHFINDER TDI 2006 IMPROVED FUEL ECONOMY 9/05/2009
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We bought a 2006 diesel automatic Pathfinder about 4 weeks ago with 18,000km and were very disappointed to see its fuel consumption around 15/100km, instead of nominated 10 litre mark.
After reading lots of web sites, we decided the most likely problem was incorrect oil (despite the car only having had Nissan dealer services) causing the diesel particulate filter (DPF) to constantly regenerate and burn more fuel.
We replaced the oil with a low-ash oil (similar to that specified in the handbook). Fuel consumption (not towing) has dropped to about 9 litres/100km.
The oil filter was replaced and the air filter cleaned. The mechanic added a fuel additive (I don't know which one). He also thinks that the injectors might need future attention, but we'll see how the fuel consumption pans out before looking further into that.
Hope this helps others.
Megan
MEGAN SEEN
- MT BURNETT, VIC - AUS
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TOYOTA RAV4 2001 RE: TRANSMISSION FAILS ON 6 YEAR OLD CAR 26/04/2009
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Hi Rod,
I have done a fair bit of research on this problem and despite my initial research and the evidence that it was a hardware fault in the ECM the local Toyota dealer did their standard tests and decided the fault was in the transmission because no fault codes were found.
After discussions with automotive colleagues at local TAFE we did further research that identified that the problem is a tie up in the transmission caused by incorrect activation of the SL1 solenoid. Further research found information on testing the ECM signal to the SL1 solenoid (this controls the hydraulic pressure to engage direct clutch) and the resulting pressure. We have tested my RAV4s signal to the solenoid and have replicated the fault both times we tested the vehicle.
The solenoid is a pulse width modulated solenoid that for correct clutch operation receives from the ecm a pulsed 12v signal at a 50% duty cycle this keeps the hydraulic pressure to the clutch exhausted and the clutch disengaged until the third and 4th (over drive) is selected. The ECM signal then drops to 0 volts closing the valve and pressurizing the clutch.
The tie up occurs when the pulse width begins to drop below 50% and the pressure begins to build. At about 40% pulse width pressure is around 25psi and just enough to initiate engagement. At 25% pulse width pressure is 55psi and the clutch is fully engaged tying up the transmission. This is clearly seen in the video of the test.
No fault codes are reported for this tie up because as far as we can determine in the diagnostics the selection of third when the transmission is supposed to be in first is not reported only 1-2.
Another interesting point is that the fault generally occurs after the ECM reaches operation temp (around 28-35 degrees) so make sure the test runs for 45 to 60 minutes. Also as it seems from this test that it is an electronic component failure therefore the fault may exhibit some variations. For example in the first test we measured 55psi while in the second it reached 27psi. These tests were carried out at idle with no load on the drive.
Continuous operation in this condition will eventually burn the direct clutch hence the reports of gearboxes being replaced as well as ecms.
I have some video footage of the test and other information required to carry out this test. The tools required are simply a scope, pressure gauge and a hoist and takes about 15 minutes to setup so you can probably confirm it is the ECM within an hour.
Despite the research and test results achieved Toyota gave me the runaround finally saying the vehicle needed to be sent to Terry Shields Toyota in Parramatta for transmission removal and assessment with no guarantee of warranty. I discussed this with the Terry Shields service manager who agreed that an ECM change would probably solve the problem if the transmission was not damaged.
In view of this, Toyota’s attitude to the problem and a reluctance to have a dismantled vehicle in Sydney and a fight with Toyota about the cost of repairs and their share (where Toyota have come to the party in Australia it has only been for part payment). I found a Melbourne company Injectronics who repair ECMs. A quick call to them confirmed they had had some RAV4 ecms in for repair. So the ECM is out (5 min job) and off to Injectronics via their agent Repco. Turn around is a week and cost around $400. I will let you know how I go with the reinstallation and testing for transmission damage.
Apparently the advantage of having your ECM repaired is there is no need to program the computer to the car (keys etc) nor relearn the settings for the transmission both of which require the services of the dealer.
I am happy to share as much as I know about this problem and expose the slackness of Toyota in accepting they sold a vehicle with a faulty component and providing as much help in sorting out the fault.
Regards, Cliff
CLIFF
- TAREE, NSW - AUS
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PEUGEOT 206 GTI 180 2006 I'VE HAD TWO 206S 10/01/2009
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I've got a 206 GTI 180 (2006 model), its second 206... The first being the standard GTI (2004 model).
The first one was a great drive for a small car. However at around 30 months old & 40K on the clock, the Engine Management ECU failed. Full credit to the local Dealer in Newcastle for figuring out what the problem was (it manifested itself as an intermittent fault that made the car difficult to drive). As the car was just out of warranty, Peugeot eventually gave me a new one at (I'm guessing here) their cost price. Around $1200AUD. It fixed the problem. I've since learned that ECU failure was not uncommon in earlier 206s - beware when your central locking doesn't work occasionally.
My current GTI 180 is a brilliant drive as most of the design problems in the earlier car were rectified. Although it’s only done 22K it’s not given me a single warranty issue, not even a rattle. I took the extended warranty option after the problems with the first one just for piece of mind.
Another plus is that the few Peugeot parts I've bought over that last four years have been pretty reasonably priced (especially compared to Japanese parts).
Would I buy another one, at this stage yes. They don't match the Japanese in a few areas, but beat them in others. I guess you just have to dare to be different - typical French attitude!
PHIL JAMES
- NEWCASTLE, NSW - AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL LS 2001 RE: THE CULTURE OF COMPLAINT 23/12/2008
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Hi David,
Your comments may be true for some however, many people like myself purchased their Kia's from dealerships as brand new vehicles. My 2001 Kia Carnival LS was purchased brand new. After 4 years it had done 31,000km, had been regularly serviced at the Kia Dealership that I purchased the vehicle from, had been driven very conservatively (transporting our precious children) and was just out of the 3 year warranty when it blew a head gasket.
I noticed the vehicle was hard to start, became sluggish and underpowered, had a golden / brown oily sludge in the radiator water bottle and was leaking the same sludge onto the ground under the engine well. At that time there was no information about Kia Carnivals having problems with their engines. It was only by getting onto this website and providing the Dealership with the information that I was able to get the engine repaired for "free" ($NZD1500.00) as opposed to paying the $NZD6000.00 quoted.
Since that major repair I have spent on average $NZD1000.00 on every subsequent service to bring the vehicle back to specification and was told by the mechanic at the time that the engine would likely blow at some time in the future because there is a design flaw in the Kia engines. The Kia dealership that sold me my vehicle has closed its doors and went out of business last year (2007). The new Dealership I have been going to shows the same "surprised" attitude and feigned ignorance as I have read about on this site... "quelle surprise!"
H MCMILLAN
- AUCKLAND, NEW ZEALAND
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HOLDEN ASTRA CLASSIC 2005 ASTRA IGNITION BARREL WEAR CAUSING SPARE KEY PROBLEMS 7/12/2008
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One thing they don't mention when you buy a new Astra these days is the necessity of switching over keys regularly. If you don't, by the time you reach the end of warranty, the barrel has worn so much that the spare key still opens the doors but doesn't turn the ignition at all. Then if you lose the original key, the entire barrel has to be replaced, which is a high and unnecessary expense.
Maybe this is a thing a lot of people know about, but I didn't. If you've got a new Astra or are thinking of buying one, don't assume you can treat your spare key as a spare key!
ANNE ETCHELLS
- MELBOURNE, VIC - AUS
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NISSAN NAVARA 2005 BLOWN PISTON UNDER WARRANTY 6/12/2008
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I recently posted our experience with Nissan Australia after our Navara 3L diesel engine blew a piston at 62,000 kms and Nissan’s refusal to repair this engine under warranty. Ian pulled the engine down and discovered what he believed to be a major design fault with this engine. We put together a very comprehensive report for Australian Consumer Affairs. Glenn Maule, from the Port Augusta office handled our case with Nissan and last week, Nissan repaid in full the cost of the replacement engine, $12,188.00.
Consumer Affairs and Glenn were marvelous, with Glenn not once doubting that we were in the right and that this should have been a warranty repair. So to Glenn, we are so very grateful and a public thank you for your persistence.
We have since traded the Navara in as we could no longer trust it and now have an Isuzu NLR200 short truck. It’s wonderful. North East Isuzu in Adelaide treated us like royalty with Ian having written permission from them to service the truck apart from the majors at 60,000kms.
Finally, thank you my friends for your support. It really did mean a lot and just maybe those of you who are also having trouble with Nissan can find some help from your Office of Consumer Affairs as we did. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you all!
CHRISTINE RADFORD
- UNGARRA, SA - AUS
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HOLDEN ASTRA TS CD 2000 HOLDEN ASTRA TS LOW ON POWER AND STALLING AT IDLE. 25/11/2008
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Holden Astras must be serviced properly, and only use genuine filters and the correct fluids (see chapter 8). You can not treat them like a Kingswood and expect them to run well. Look at chapter 12 of the user's manual ($30 from a dealer if you don't have one) and make sure everything is being done on schedule. Most garages and dealers are really slack and only interested in how many cars they can put through in a day (i.e. maximum profit). For example, my wife's 2003 Zafira has been serviced 3 times, only at Holden dealers, over a period of 5 years, and never have they changed the brake fluid - the manual says do it every 2 years regardless of klm's.
I recently bought a 2000 TS Astra that had no power below 1500rpm, would jump and jerk under acceleration, and would stall when coming back to idle regularly. This is probably why the previous owners sold it to me for a bargain. They had it "serviced" at a garage "regularly". The problem was caused by a clogged fuel filter, which was 6000klm overdue, according to the user's manual. A genuine filter cost me $19 from a dealer, and 15 minutes under the car to swap it over. The scariest thing was that they had installed a non-genuine air filter, and had to adjust it with a razor blade, to make it fit. Thankfully it was fairly clean, so it had not been in for long (it now has the right one installed). The wrong air filter will cause a $1500 engine rebuild for sure.
My Astra now runs like a new car again, and I am servicing both vehicles myself from now on (my father is a retired mechanic though, which is good for me). When you go to a garage or dealer take the manual in with you and specifically ask them to follow the list. You can even ring Holden directly and ask them for recommendations. I had to do it once, when I suspected a dealer was lying to me.
Also, if the "Check Engine" light is not coming on, don't waste your time looking at the electronics. Look for a mechanical problem first or a basic electrical problem. e.g. If your battery is weak, the ECU can be starved by the electrical power steering pump, and when computers don't have the right voltage they will do all sorts of stupid things. Astra's need a 'big' battery for a small car.
I hope this helps someone. I have driven a lot of different hire cars and I chose to buy an Astra. I am very happy with it. It is a great car to drive.
EVAN LYNCH
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MAZDA 3 NEO 2004 RE: AM NOT IMPRESSED BY HOW I HAVE BEEN DEALT WITH BE DEALERSHIP/ HEAD OFFICE 19/11/2008
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Regarding the Notchy gear feel in the Mazda3.
I would say that the 3 has one of the best, most direct feeling shifts I have experienced in a Front Wheel Drive vehicle& I have driven hundreds of different models. It feels like it is directly linked to the Gearbox, not rubbery & spongy like a lot of other Front Wheelers on the market.
Before saying that it is something that they will not fix, it would be best to go & drive a couple of other similar Mazda 3's to determine whether or not yours differs from the others. You will more than likely find that your cars feel the same as all the others to drive & that is why you are being told that they are ok. I do not feel that they would fob you off if your car genuinely feels different to drive than all the others that they drive. It is not in a dealer’s interest to not do a warranty repair, as they do not wear the cost. The manufacturer pays the dealer to do the repair.
I do realise that the shifters in these cars have a slightly notchy feel, but it is a characteristic of the model. Not a problem.
Regards, Jay.
JAY
- PENRITH, NSW - AUS
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HOLDEN BARINA XC 2007 RE: LEFT INDICATOR & CD STUCK! 9/11/2008
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Hi there,
I have been experiencing with this problem for the last 12 months or so. Today, my Dad, who is an engineer, located the affected part, a circuit board, located near the battery, and re-soldered it, as it was in pretty bad condition, and so far it works. Mine was only affecting the left hand side indicators also. Mine is a 2004 XC Barina.
Contact me, and we might be able to organise for him to fix yours.
REBECCA
- MELBOURNE, VIC - AUS
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FORD FALCON 2001 UGLY DUCKLING MAKES GOOD... 14/10/2008
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How wrong was I? When Ford released the AU I wasn't alone in thinking what a backward step they had made. Our very own Edsel.
Well looks aren't everything, we now have three in the family, two utes and a sedan. Two dual fuel, one dedicated gas. My long suffering tray back has just had a radiator and a water pump and not much else. 240,000km of hard labour. Towing trailers and bouncing over paddocks. These vehicles are from another planet compared to their predecessors. They handle, are solid and they last. Towing a heavy trailer carrying a car at a cost of less than $14 per 100km for LPG on the freeway. Remarkable.
Quirks to watch? Make sure the sensors are all in good order, ensure it runs at the correct temperature, use good quality plugs and leads and buy gas from larger turn over outlets. Great value if you can get over the looks!
John Austin.
JOHN AUSTIN
- NARRANDERA, NSW - AUS
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FORD FALCON BF LPG 2007 RE: BF FORD FALCON RUNS ROUGH ON START UP FACTORY GAS 7/10/2008
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Hi Bob, I drive a 2007 BF LPG Falcon which is a company vehicle leased from Fleet Australia by the company I work for. I have had nothing but trouble with it since new. It has been into numerous Ford dealerships no less than five times for problems with the LPG system and it has less than 30,000 km.
Basically, it has an intermittent problem where it is difficult to start, and when it does start there is sometimes a backfire in the engine bay and the engine will idle very roughly. It once backfired and blew the brake booster hose connection clean off. After one service, I was at a stop sign, pulled out onto oncoming traffic and the car lost all power. I also found loss of power and even stalling when stopping at traffic lights, etc.
Nuford in Wangara W.A. had my vehicle for two weeks and said that they fixed the problem yet here we are only a couple of months later and it's back at another dealership in Morley! The RAC mechanic that came out to my house said that the RAC fleet vehicles on LPG are always having problems, and that they are already phasing them out.
Our company has had problems with them in the eastern states as well. I am sick of putting up with it as I am a Sales Rep and need my car to do my job. I have informed Ford not to bother contacting me until they have fixed the problem permanently. I hope this helps you mate. If all else fails, report your problem to the media. I have found that big companies like Ford don't like negative publicity in mass.
Regards, Andrew
ANDREW HAIGH
- PERTH, WA - AUS
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NISSAN NAVARA 2005 RE: FAILED 3L ENGINE - WARRANTY DISPUTE 22/09/2008
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Hi Christine, I used to work at a Nissan Dealership in 2004 when many 3L Patrols were destroying engines. At that time Nissan Japan thought the problem was lack of oil and brought out a modified sump that held more oil and a longer dipstick.
Only a few weeks ago I was back at the Nissan Dealership buying some parts and asked about the ongoing problems with these engines and problems with Navaras in general. You can find out more information sometimes from spare parts departments than service departments. The spare parts salesman told me that the problems with the D40 Navara are from the poor quality build in Spain. The problem with the 3L engines in Patrols and Navaras has been solved by Nissan using a different type of piston ring. So your husband’s diagnosis from your engine that he pulled down is pretty close to the mark.
For you and any other readers, Nissan now sell a complete new 3L engine for approx $7,000. Freight and other costs may vary slightly but if you are in need of one of these, shop around Nissan Dealers. City dealers will ship to country areas.
Good Luck, Mark.
MARK KURAN
- MELBOURNE, VIC - AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL 2005 RE: 2005 MODEL 15000KM SHOULD I SELL BEFORE PROBLEMS START 7/09/2008
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Dear Heather
Kia's are a mass produced motor vehicle put together by robots in Korea at a rate of 150 cars an hour (est.). They are built to a price and sold at a price. Quality control and build finish on all Kia's can be an issue, however they sell tens of thousands of them, and over the years they have gotten better.
Your car has travelled only 15000km and had only 3 issues all of which I assume were covered under warranty. If not then it should have as the car was a demo and purchased through a dealer.
Your car as with every motor car will fail and cause trouble if the vehicle in question is not properly maintained or driven in a manner it was not designed to driven (i.e. driven like a rental vehicle, stolen or like some modern day P plate driver). I do not know how you drive your car but if you drive your Kia in manner it should be then I cannot foresee any problems with the car. Korea have improved their engine building over the years as they had a stigma of lasting only 2 years, now they can go 10 years without any issues.
Rest easy Heather I think the car has a few good years of motoring in her yet.
JOE
- BARGO, NSW, AUS
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FORD FOCUS LS LX 2007 INTERMITTENT NOISE FROM FRONT OF CAR 5/09/2008
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I'm after some advice on an intermittent noise coming from the front of my 2007 Focus manual hatch (with only 11,000 kms on the clock). The noise, when it occurs, sounds to me like a faulty wheel bearing, but I suppose it could be almost anything. It may be relevant to the problem that the car also seems to suffer at times from pronounced gear whine.
There is no pattern to when the noise occurs, it can occur going up hills, on the flat, when turning left, right or pointing straight ahead. When the noise occurs, it will go away if the brakes are lightly applied. I now think that the noise could possibly be coming from binding brakes, say, the brake pads lightly sticking on the rotating disk.
Needless to say, being an intermittent noise it never occurs when the car is being serviced, and Ford servicing being what it is there's little chance they'll find/fix the problem until whatever it is finally breaks and the fault becomes obvious.
Has anyone else experienced a similar problem? Does anyone know what the cause might be? Apart from this problem (and poor build quality in the South African-built Focus) the Focus is a pretty good car in most respects.
JOHN
- CANBERRA, ACT, AUS
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NISSAN PATHFINDER ST 2005 R51 PATHFINDER 19/08/2008
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Hi Guys,
Can't help but notice the postings about the R51 Pathfinders. I bought one of the first R51 Pathys when they were released. A diesel Turbo ST. I had my concerns over some relatively minor issues, all that were non-catastrophic failure types. The worst problem I had was the turbo progressively getting louder and louder. You know that turbo whistle we all love to hear during acceleration... well you couldn't miss mine! Anyhow, It Never Failed. Just got noisy and had zero effect on performance. Nissan replaced the turbo with no pressure applied by myself. It took a week for it to come in from Japan, but I continued to drive it around during this time. So thanks Nissan for a great job.
For those of you who would like to know, my Pathfinder has done Robe to Beachport, Adelaide to Katherine (the fun way through Oodnadatta and Mt Dare, Fink etc) which as you know is very rough going as far as corrugations and gibbers are concerned. I had a gibber smash my trailer lights connector, but fixed this in 5 minutes flat. I do have underbody TJM steel plates for extra protection.
For those of you not in the manufacturing industry, please consider this.
1. If a manufacturer was to get it right 99.99% of the time, every one thousandth part would have a fault. How many parts are in your car?
2. Lockheed Martin's Skunk Works (who develop and build US air force jet fighters). Their previous boss Ben Rich wrote a book a few years back revealing details of the F-117A Nighthawk (first true stealth fighter). If you think it is totally unacceptable for your car to have a faulty part (that will no doubt get fixed under warranty in short time), spare a thought for those pilots who had a faulty part and smashed a $43M aircraft into the runway at 400 knots.
As long as you give the dealer time to diagnose and repair the fault, they Will fix the problem and your car Will be roadworthy and trustworthy again.
A fact of life is that things break down. My bosses BMWs and Mercedes break down, and he paid over $200K for these cars. Guess what, they were all fixed in under a week and everyone is happy again.
So take a chill pill, and remember if it has wheels, it is trouble.
JASON REEVES
- MAWSON LAKES, SA, AUS
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KIA SORENTO LX 2004 OIL SEALS FAIL WHEN 4X4 USED OFF-ROAD 15/08/2008
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Let me preface this post by acknowledging that my issues pale into insignificance with some of the Carnival horror stories I've been reading on this site. I have a friend who has just managed to get Kia to do major work on his Carnival engine - something like $7,000 worth as I recall. I'll try to get the details and post them in case the info can help anyone else...
I've had my car for 4 years (70,000 Ks). Generally, I've been really happy with my Sorento, but recently, I took it on a short family holiday to Moreton Island (it's a sand island with no sealed roads). Now I have a damaged rear oil seal, owing to sand intrusion. This is the one and only time I've taken the car off-road.
The seal costs $38 - and $1000 and a whole day to fit! I'm told that if I ever take the car onto sand again, the seal will almost certainly get damaged - a thousand dollars every time I use the vehicle in the manner for which it was ostensibly designed!
The car's handbook provides pretty in-depth advice about how to drive on snow, ice, dirt and sand - and nowhere does it warn that significant damage is likely to occur if you happen to use the 4x4 option. Indeed, if I had known this I would never have taken the car off-road. Actually, I would never have bought the car at all.
Kia tell me that when they do the repair (at my expense), they will also seal up a clear inspection plate with a bead of silicone. They tell me that this will help to keep the sand out of the oil seal. This was a matter-of-fact disclosure, which indicates that the problem is relatively common with Sorentos (although I have not read of anybody else having this issue so far).
Kia sticks to the same story, no matter who I speak to - and so far, I've got as far as the National Customer Service Manager: The car is out of warranty, so there's nothing they can do. However, they point out that if the car WAS in warranty, they would still not help, because seals are not covered anyway. I have been invited to write to the GM, but they refuse to tell me who this is. Typical stonewalling behaviour.
In my opinion the car has a basic design flaw. If Kia states that the vehicle can be used on sand, surely the oil seals should be properly protected from sand intrusion - or, at the very least, the seals should be in a position that allows for their easy replacement. And Kia has an obligation to tell prospective 4-wheel drivers that the Sorento is highly likely to require expensive repairs if used on sand.
I'll keep going with my attempts to get Kia to fix the seal at their expense, but I'm thinking that I may have a case under the Trade Practices Act - the vehicle is not fit for the purpose for which it was bought. I'll see what Fair Trading has to say, and let you know. Has anyone else tried to pursue this line with their car issues?
Sadly, Kia does not seem to care whether or not they retain a customer's loyalty to their brand. A very curious approach to business, in my opinion. No more Kias for me, I fear.
Robert
ROBERT OLLIER
- BRISBANE, QLD, AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL 2001 RE: KIA MOTORS PAID FOR MY REPAIRS IN FULL! 26/06/2008
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Hello Collette,
Sadly, we read of your plight and want to assure you that a great deal of time has been spent gathering information to justify later claims against Kia. You have just joined between 3,000 and 4,000 victims who have had the same experience as yourself and naturally we feel for you. I see that Dale Morris is already assisting on the claim side and this is great advice and the course of action most of us are pursuing - you simply have to fight.
Now to get your vehicle back on the road and look at some options. I have the same model Carnival - 2001 with 60,000 kms and have just been through the hoops. Kia will tell you one thing and then not abide by it. In fact I'm surprised that your engine hasn't failed before this - you must be one of the last. Have you owned the vehicle since new? If not check the engine number. You will need to undo the three small bolts with a socket securing the engine dress cover and remove the cover. The number is to the right just inside the lifting bracket at cylinder 5. Check above the engine number to see if there is a stamp RPM. These are the engine reconditioners who repair the engines for Kia in Melbourne. We want to know of any engines reconditioned to the Kia build specification which have failed because this problem may never go away.
Kia supplied me under goodwill a basic reconditioned short motor, torque to yield cylinder head bolts, cylinder head gaskets, thermostat housing and liquid gasket seal. They also accepted costs for surface machining the heads if required in cases of severe overheating (not mine) and servicing the radiator. This is costed at around $2,750-00. Unfortunately they charged for radiator hoses, oil seal, oil pump gasket at a cost of around $100-00. If you have over 60,000 kms on the clock you would be wise to replace timing belts (3), serpentine drive belt, plug leads for a 2001 model, spark plugs and water pump at about $700-00. The blue slip, oil, oil filter and coolant will set you back another $100-00. Finally, labour for the complete job was $1,390-00. I was also up for a crankshaft harmonic balance pulley at $201-00 which I suspect was damaged during disassembly. A rattle gun is probably the best option for loosening the pulley securing bolt.
Negotiations and repair time took two months - 4 weeks for repair.
These engines are reconditioned for around $1650-00 by RPM and you may be able to insist upon your engine being reconditioned and returned to your vehicle if engines are in such short supply. It is clearly evident that Kia have failed to establish a standard protocol to deal with a well known problem or developed a logistic support system to adequately support the predictable failure rate of engines. They do not carry a short motor in their parts inventory and acquire them by special order on the factory. Consequently, Carnival owners have been at the mercy of Kia's poor response time since first model engine failures in 2000 and little has changed.
Hopefully this provides you with sufficient information to know what you are up against and avoid some of the horrendous costs I have seen quoted. You may well be able to negotiate a better deal but if not, ensure that you put in writing that you do not accept liability and reserve the right to make a claim at a later date. Letters of claim are already in the system and Peter H is working on some refinement. Mine will be joining them shortly. In the meantime, you need to get your vehicle back on the road.
If we can help further, let us know.
Regards, Kerry Tunbridge
KERRY TUNBRIDGE
- SYDNEY, NSW - AUS
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HOLDEN ASTRA 1.6 ELEGANCE 2004 I HAD NO IDEA UNTIL I FOUND THIS SITE! 25/06/2008
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OK, my car is actually an OPEL Astra because I live in France but it's the same as a Holden Astra.
Within days of picking my car up in Oct 2004 I had problems:
1. Stereo volume increasing on its own 2. Clock changing time 3. Most serious the horn sounding On It's Own Eventually, the steering wheel was changed and those problems went away.
This year I have had more problems:
1. Air conditioning failure 2. Stereo volume increasing again 3. Brake and stop lights permanently on 4. No cruise control (presumably because the brake circuit was open)
Problems 2-4 have been solved but I still have no air con. The car has done 36,000kms (about 24,000 miles) and Opel have quoted me 1000 euros for a new compressor and are refusing to contribute anything towards it. Frankly I can't afford a new compressor!
I thought I was the only one having these problems as Opel won't admit that there is anything wrong with the Astra but, having read your comments, there clearly is. I work nights and I'm terrified that something else is going to go wrong with the car and I'll be stranded somewhere in the middle of the night.
All I get from the dealership is a shrug of the shoulders (typically French!). Is there anything that can be done? Is there an action against GM about these cars? Something we can do?
I feel totally let down. This is supposed to be our main car, reliable and going to go for years! I reckon it won't last another two at this rate! Help!
LUCINDA HANNANT
- BERGERAC, FRANCE, INTERNATIONAL
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FORD FALCON BA 0 RE: THE HANDBRAKE LEVER DOES NOT COME WITH AN ADJUSTING NUT 6/05/2008
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Hello Wayne let me help you.
Always as number one, going under the car, notice a cable above your tailshaft. You will need a small shifter, and I mean a small one, and also you will need a 10mm spanner. My trick is a 10mm ratcheting spanner and a tiny shifter.
Remove the adjustment from your handbrake cable above the tailshaft until your cable has slack in it.
Take the rear disc off and ensure that your hand brake shoe is correctly placed in its clips. Otherwise if the hand brake shoe has come off its locating clips, it won’t adjust correctly.
By doing so, you will notice sliding clips inside the handbrake shoe. Make sure the shoe is behind those clips. and then centerise the hand brake shoe in the center of the backing plate.
Now, completely remove the adjustment on the hand brake shoe. Using the toothing gear, wind it until the shoe is completely free. Put the disk on aligning with the smallest hole you see on your hub (where the wheel studs are) through that hole, you will be doing the adjustment. Then with a long fine screw driver and a hammer, adjust the toothed gear as far as you can until you can’t turn the disc. Let me advise you that the left hand side and the right hand side adjusting gears adjust opposite to each other. So pay attention which way you have to adjust the hand brake toothed gear to tighten the shoe. Once your disc is impossible to move, turn the toothed gear with a thicker screw driver (only so you don’t snap your smaller one) and turn the gear a few times until your disc rotor feels free but also still rubs only a small amount.
Pull your hand brake a few times to centerize the shoes inside the disc. Pull the hand brake up completely and try turning your discs. If your discs turn, it means your adjustment is too loose. Adjust them up by one click or two.
Once you have done this, bolt your calipers on and wheels etc.
Going under the car again, using your 10mm spanner and a tiny shifter, adjust your hand brake cable to a point when taking notice that your handbrake lever should not be any more than 6 clicks.
And for the last test, test your hand brake!
I hope I am not too late, let me know if you still don’t understand.
Oh and one more thing. Please make sure that your rear shoes are adjusted to a point when the shoes only just touches the inside of the rotor. Over adjusting will completely wear your shoe sooner and also hold your car back longer. Meaning your wasting more fuel hah.
Let me know anyway again. If you still don’t understand, please email.
SARA SEROKA
- BRISBANE, QLD - AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL 2000 RE: THE CULTURE OF COMPLAINT 4/05/2008
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Tony,
I'm not sure if you are aware that the engines fitted to Kia Carnivals have a design / manufacturing fault and not matter what servicing has been done, those engines will fail. You are correct in your assessment that most of these Carnivals have been bought second hand. Why? Because the people buying them need a people mover and those people can’t afford a Toyota Tarago, Chrysler Voyager, Honda Odyssey or Mazda MPV. They usually take out a $10,000 loan too and buy the thing because it's "cheap" and all the kids will fit in it. Then the engine goes and they don't have another $8,000 or $9,000 to repair it.
That is usually when they start looking on the internet for some advice or help and find other people in the exact situation as them. They can’t afford to take legal action and on most occasions will go further into debt to repair their cars only for the problem to reappear down the track.
Just because the vehicles are out of warranty doesn’t mean the manufacturer, Kia, should avoid its obligations for selling something of merchantable quality under Australian law which these engines are clearly not. The warranty is something that the manufacturer offers from the goodness of their hearts, god bless em. The consumers would be hoping that these engines would last many years past the expiration of the warranty period.
Mark.
MARK KURAN
- MELBOURNE, VIC - AUS
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LANDROVER DISCOVERY 11 2000 RELIEF FROM THREE AMIGOS 30/04/2008
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The three amigos have been around for ages - make no mistake the only way to fix them is with a "non faulty" ABS Wabco modulator.
I have researched & tried every method suggested & checked the logic of the fault suggestion against the reality. LR testbook / T4 computers read the stored faults in the abs / sls onboard computer, however they can only interpret what they are told - there is no code for faulty modulator. Two codes are seen often. One relates to ABS sensor faulty and they sometimes are (greased up, rusted, damaged, wire leads damaged etc). Sometimes removing cleaning and reinstalling can help - but - and this is the thing, the ABS sensor fault is a non latching fault. This means it will not turn the ABS/HDC/TC functions off but will store a fault in the ECU. The other common fault is the "shuttle valve". This was the alleged cause for some time and sometimes fixed the problem. The shuttle valve consists of two pressure switches that are activated when the brakes are applied to show the primary & secondary circuits are functioning. The electrical circuitry for this actually runs thru the modulator. The switch is quite easy to test for function when removed.
Here's where I believe the problem starts. Several options - the plastic body of the shuttle valve can bend (engine heat?), the wires can be faulty, the switches may stick / fault or the shuttle valve - modulator connection could be bad. Commonly this fault occurs after brake work i.e. new pads / discs. May well be due to air in the ABS block as a result of pushing the disc pads apart to remove / replace and hence forcing excess fluid back into block. Any air in the block would cause the shuttle valve fault as they only move a tiny amount to activate.
So what to do if you have the amigos & no joy from your main dealer? Find a quality non franchised workshop to work with. Talk to them a perhaps try a proper Testbook / T4 / Autologic power brake bleed with new fluid and reset the lights. If this fails and the lights come back on save yourself grief and go straight to a replacement modulator - you will never sell the car with the lights on and if the vehicle is carrying an "older" suspect modulator most specialists would advise a prospective buyer not to purchase it.
There are two distinct types of modulator and they changed around 2001. They should still have a sticker with the year on it i.e. 99, 00, 01, 02 etc and the later ones have the two 25mm bronze coloured discs recessed into and below the surface of the block. Find one, fit bleed it, reset the lights and wait for something different to occur. Sources for the replacement modulator can be new at the dealer, secondhand for many dismantlers in Australia, UK & USA, try the internet, British LR mags etc.
To close, a short history of the 99 model series 11 I have owned since new.
- 1st service 5000 km - new radiator, engine (yep), & water pump (corrosion and faulty block). - 10000 km - new steering box and front axles ( warranty ). - 20000 km - new gear box due to reluctance to change into top. Later found to be non resolved and due to the 1st of several air flow mass sensor failures (out of warranty ) - 40000 km new front prop shaft ( non warranty ) - 160000 km abs modulator failure ( non warranty ) - 185000 km crank angle sensor failure - current - many oil leaks. I still have one new never used still sealed modulator waiting for use.
ROBERT PIGGOTT
- MELBOURNE, VIC, AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL GRAND PREMIUM 2007 RE: KIA GRAND CARNIVAL 2007 MODEL 20/04/2008
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Yes yes yes is my answer. I have test driven a dozen comparative cars and Kia Grand Carnival is the winner hands down. So we bought one in Dec 2007.
Since then it has exceeded our expectations over and over again. But I stress you have to get the safety pack option with "Electronic Stability Program" and "Traction Control". Do not and I would not buy this or any car with out it! There is no comparison in driving safety and handling. This car blows the opposition away; it has so much power at the touch of the pedal. Compared to most cars (I have test driven dozen cars of its size) it is quieter, smoother, more spacious, better over bumps on and off road, and great in the wet (I stress it is a different story without the safety pack!).
On the open road it rocks around corners at great speed never leaving you uncomfortable or in fear of loosing control. The standard tyres have awesome grip, the rear seats into floor is so perfect, the vision is great, even reversing. I could go on and on but you might think I’m a Kia salesman but I best point out the few negatives (which unfortunately every car has).
* driver seat has little support for the natural body roll of a car this size. * very average radio sound and volume control too far away. * dash instrumentation is obscured from my driving position * fuel consumption is 10% higher than quoted and higher with aircon on (but most cars I hear the same). But you pay for the performance and positives of this car so I don’t mind. * I could mention a few other minor things as I could with most cars (I couldn't find the perfect car).
In summary it is the best of its kind at half the cost of the others. Happy to answer anymore questions.
BEN
- WENTWORTH FALLS, NSW, AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL 2001 PROBLEM WITH THE IGNITION 11/04/2008
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I had a 2001 Carnival, purchased it brand new, never had any problems with the head gasket although I had heard about those problems. What we had was a problem with the ignition, it was in and out of the workshop for the entire duration of the warranty period without much improvement.
We would have a strong smell of rotten egg whenever engine was turned off and it would be sluggish and just wouldn't pull and idle very roughly that the whole car would shake. Just before the warranty ran out the Kia head mechanic said he might have the answer to our problem and replaced the entire ignition wiring loom. It worked, we went for a trip across Australia and the car never missed a beat for the whole 16,000 kms.
Not long after we got back it started doing the same things again so we decided to get rid of it. 4 weeks after trading it in I saw it parked on the side of the freeway broken down. I had a little chuckle to myself as well as feeling sympathetic towards the new owner.
About a year after I got rid of it I got a phone call from the new owner asking if the car was acting up when I owned it. I told her about the fix and didn't hear from her again, until a few weeks ago. I saw the car at some traffic lights and pulled up next to her and asked her how the fix was going. She said she told her mechanic, he fixed it and the car was running like a dream. I hope she doesn't have the motor go like everyone else though. Hope this helps someone having similar problems, don't know how much a new ignition wiring loom is though.
MALCOLM MCRAE
- PERTH, WA, AUS
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NISSAN PATHFINDER R51 2008 ONLY ON THE 2ND TANK OF FUEL & THE ENGINE'S STALLING & ENTERING LIMP MODE! 10/04/2008
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Hi, I'm typically not one to complain but...
On 3 March, 2008 my family took delivery of our new family car, a brand new MY08 Nissan Pathfinder Turbo Diesel Automatic. On 29 March, 2008 and just prior to its first 1,000km scheduled service (which was booked for 2 April, 2008), serious problems with the car started to occur. I took the car to my local Nissan service center in Artarmon on 31 March, 2008 and at this time the car was still running on its second tank of fuel.
Specifically, the car would frequently stall whilst being driven at speed and often enter "limp mode" (a condition where the car will only slowly accelerate to 20km/hr) when accelerating from a standstill. Both of these conditions render the car powerless and when the engine is stalled, the car unable to be steered or stopped since there is no power assistance provided by the engine to operate these critical functions. An accident was undoubtedly imminent given that the car had become an un-steerable and unstoppable 2.3ton missile at speed or due to being incapable of executing a safe turn in front of oncoming traffic.
After picking up the car from said Nissan service center in Artarmon and receiving the all clear that everything had been tested and fixed in writing, the car immediately stalled and entered limp mode several times before I arrived home - a measly 3km away. I contacted the MVIRA and the person I spoke to immediately classified the car as a danger to all if it was continued to be driven due to the serious safety issue concerning the engine.
I contacted Nissan Roadside Assist on 3 April, 2008 who, under the circumstances, agreed to tow the car back to local Nissan service center. The car has been there over one week now and there is still no resolution.
My wife, children and I have lost all confidence with this vehicle, particularly since we were planning to drive it to Fraser Island during the school holidays in December. We are also inconvenienced as we are without a family car and I would like to know what possible position to take with Nissan Australia regarding the purchase of our new car which has subsequently proven to be totally unroadworthy.
Thank you with regards,
Brendon
BRENDON SOO
- CHATSWOOD, NSW - AUS
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TOYOTA KLUGER GRANDE 2007 LACK OF PROTECTION SURROUNDING FUEL TANK AND GROUND CLEARANCE 27/03/2008
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I purchased my Kluger in Dec 2007 as I wanted a reliable vehicle that could do soft off road driving like going down dirt roads and foresty tracks. I am not a heavy off-road user and I was lead to believe the Kluger was capable of these simple tasks.
We went to the Wombeyan caves South of Sydney along a dirt tourist drive. I ran over some rocks, then suddenly there was a grating noise from under the centre of the car and then a thud. I pulled over to find that the fuel tank had a rupture. We were left in the middle of nowhere for 3 hours until help could arrive. It was not until I arrive at the repair shop that I noticed that the fuel tank was protected by an aluminum heat cover.
This now brings us to my other point about the boasted road clearance you read in all of the reviews. In the middle of the floor pan is a plate which stands at 185mm not 206mm. I believe that the rock I hit got caught by this plate and pushed the rock into the heat plate then into the fuel tank. If this rock had caused a spark my family and I may have not been here to complain.
I contacted my dealer when I got back home and asked if they could report this incident but was told it was my place to contact Toyota directly as there were no forms to fill out as it was not a warranty issue. I did enlist the help of the sales manager and we wrote up our complaint on the customer service form they send you about the dealership when you buy a new car. Nothing happened.
I contacted the customer service department directly about 6 weeks ago and told them my story. When I said I was concerned about the road clearance I was told the word unladen meant no fuel in the tank. Must be the best fuel economy car in the world that drives without fuel. I was very surprised as the specifications I downloaded in September the word unladen was not to be seen but now appears in the new specifications. I have contacted the operations manager who said they would get onto it but that was 2 weeks ago and still silence.
All I am trying to get from Toyota is a plate made to stop this from happening to me or anyone else. I am not wanting to claim any out of pocket costs.
Every time you ask someone from another franchise they don't want to know about it. I asked the other day and was told that the Kluger was probably not the right car I should have purchased. A little bit late now.
FRANK MATHIESON
- IPSWICH, QLD, AUS
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ALFA_ROMEO SPIDER 3.2L V6 2007 BRAND NEW ALFA SPIDER - ROOF DOESN'T WORK 26/03/2008
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The short of the story is that my brand new Alfa Romeo spider has a convertible roof that doesn't work. It won't go down. The car is now just over a month old and the roof has not been working for about 17 days. I've been back to the service centre almost every day since the problem started, but they can't fix it.
Have written a complaint letter to the dealer and also Ateco (the distributors) wondering how they can expect me to put up with this from a $100,000 car. To make things worse, apparently my car was hit by another car at the service centre last Thursday which damaged the front bumper.
Letter and more info below. As of yet, still no resolution to the problem.
17 March, 2008 Mr. David Stone, General Manager for Alfa Romeo Ateco Automotive Pty Ltd Cc: Alfa Romeo Brisbane
Dear Mr. Stone,
On 30 January, 2008, I purchased a new Alfa Romeo Spider 3.2 V6 (Chassis ZAR93900005003786) from Alfa Romeo Brisbane. After previously owning an old Alfa Spider, and reading so much encouraging news about the new Spider, I decided to take the considerable plunge into purchasing this top of the range Spider. It has been just over 40 days since I collected my new vehicle, and unfortunately the car has spent 6 of those days in the service centre. For 15% of the time I have owned the vehicle, I have not been able to use it.
I am writing to you because I purchased a new car that obviously has a problem that the dealership still (as of today) is unable to fix. I feel like I have purchased a lemon, a car that is clearly not up to the high standards that I have come to expect from Alfa Romeo, especially considering the purchase price. I feel annoyed, angry and to be honest, ripped off. I purchased a new car, and already it feels old and used. I spend my mornings driving to the service centre, and my afternoons catching the bus to pick-up my Spider. I purchased a convertible car, but the problem is that the roof does not work. It has been pulled apart and worked on, but still it does not work.
I am writing to you because I would like you to do something about the problem I’m experiencing. The dealership has tried to fix the problem, but as of today, they still have not. I am left to wonder how many times a new car owner should be subjected to taking his car every day to the service centre for them to try to repair? When I talk about my experience with Alfa Romeo at my place of work, my colleagues cannot believe the situation I am going through. My vehicle is something of an icon at my office, but now, I would honestly say after hearing my story, most, if not all of my colleagues would be turned off buying an Alfa Romeo. That was not my intent, but something that happened purely as a result of my situation, which I will explain below: • 30 January, 2008 I was scheduled to collect my new Spider from the dealer. During the demonstration of the vehicle, the dealer attempted to raise the roof (It was in the down position in the show-room), but it did not work. The dealer advised that someone had pulled the manual switch for the roof and called in a couple of Alfa Romeo mechanics to fix the problem. After almost 2 hours, they were unable to fix the roof, so I could not collect the car. They had to take it to the service centre for repair and I was advised to come back the next day in the afternoon to collect my new car.
• 2 February, 2008, I noticed while driving, that the sun visor for the passenger’s side was missing so I again returned to the dealership to have one installed.
• 12 March, 2008 I attempted to lower the roof while driving home from the city and as the roof was about half-way through lowering, it stopped and I received the error message “Temporary Hood Failure”. I was able to raise the roof, and tried lowering it again, but the same problem appeared. The service book advised me to return to the Alfa Romeo dealer, which I did the following day.
• 13 March, 2008, I arrived (unscheduled) to the Alfa Romeo Brisbane Service Centre at approximately 7:30am and spoke with Jesse the Service Advisor. I explained the problem and he advised that they would take care of the car. I was told to expect a phone call when the car was fixed and ready for collection. Around 2pm I received a call to say that they were unable to fix the fault – the hood did not work, and they would need more time to work on the car. I returned to the service centre around 4pm, collected my car, and was asked to bring it back the next day.
• 14 March, 2008, I again returned to the Alfa Romeo Brisbane Service Center at around 7:30am and dropped off my car. I returned that afternoon around 3:30pm to be advised by Jesse that they were still unable to fix the problem. Apparently some error message was detected using the computer system, but the fault could not be found. I spoke to the service manager, Peter, who again explained the problem. I requested the use of a loan car so I could leave my Alfa with the dealer, but was told that I would have to wait approximately 2-3 weeks before a loan car was available. That would mean that I could not use my new Alfa Spider convertible as a convertible for that time. I find this completely unacceptable for a new car. I also enquired about the extent of the problem, and again, no exact answers could be given. No approximate time to fix the problem, no idea exactly what the problem is, and information given that on Monday they would need to pull out the interior of my car to further examine the problem. Not a very pleasant thought for the owner of a brand new car.
• 17 March, 2008, after a weekend of roof-up driving, I returned to the dealership once again at 7:30am. I received a call around 3:30pm from Peter saying they still could not fix the problem. He advised they had repaired two crushed wires, changed the computer with another and pulled off pieces from another Spider, but still to no avail. He asked if I was able to leave my car with them overnight. I replied that would be no problem should a loan car be available, but it was not, so I collected my Spider (with most of the boot interior missing and other pieces put loosely back together), to be asked to return the next day. So, I am now entering another day of driving my new Alfa Spider to the service centre, with once again, no clue as to what the problem is and when it will be fixed. The joy of owning a new Alfa has long gone. The feeling I get from Alfa Romeo Brisbane is that I should just accept this, get over it, and keep bringing the car back every day until the problem is fixed. I’ve spent a lot of hard earned money to buy this car and it does not work as intended to. I have a convertible that is a coupe. A brand new car, that as of tomorrow, I have been unable to use for one week.
I sincerely hope that you will consider my situation and make suggestion as to a positive resolution. I hope that as a consumer and a customer of Alfa Romeo, you will understand my reasoning for this letter. I sincerely hope to not have to take this matter any further as it has already caused enough stress and inconvenience. Purchasing a new car, particularly an Alfa Romeo, should be a pleasant and enjoyable experience. What I have gone through so far with this car and it’s hood that does not work, could not be further from that.
Yours Sincerely,
Update:
• 18 March, 2008, returned to Alfa Romeo service centre at Brisbane to collect the car around 4:45pm. Was advised by Peter that they still were no closer to finding the problem. He advised that due to a busy work load at the service centre on Wednesday, it would be best if I returned the car again on Thursday. I asked to speak to a senior manager and he suggested that would do no good. I also asked if the fax I sent the day before had been received. He checked and advised “no”. I again asked to speak to a senior manager, and he called David to come down and speak to me.
• I spoke to David and explained my whole problem. He advised that it was unacceptable to have a new car in this condition and accepted acknowledged the level of my frustration. He also understood that I needed a solid answer about how my problem was going to be resolved. He took down some details and said that he would need to speak to the head mechanic (Mario) on Wednesday, and also liaise with Ateco to see how to resolve the problem. He advised that he would call back sometime Wednesday afternoon.
• 19 March, 2008, I received a phone call at 12:16pm (Brisbane time) from Alfa Romeo customer service to acknowledge that they received my fax from the previous day. I was told that they needed to talk to the dealer regarding the situation and they would get back to me at a later time.
• 19 March, 2008, 4:00pm received a call from David. He advised that after consultation with Ateco, they were going to try 3 more things which were quite significant, to try to fix the problem. He asked if I could bring in the car the next day and I advised I would. Still no guarantee that it would fix the problem but he said he was hopeful. If they could not fix if after trying these 3 further options, he would have to go back to Ateco for resolution of the problem.
• 20 March, 2008. I returned the car to Alfa Romeo Brisbane at 7:30am. Returned later that day a 4:45pm to be informed by Peter that the problem was still not fixed, but they now think the problem was related to some sort of pump. They have ordered a replacement part which should arrive Tuesday or Wednesday to be installed. While waiting in the service centre, I was informed by one of the Alfa staff (Irene) that another car had hit my car and damaged part of the front bumper. There were some scratches to the front left hand side of the bumper bar which Peter advised he would have fixed by his spray paint guy the same time the car was in getting repaired for the hood. Also I pointed out some scratches to the roll bar behind the driver’s side which he also agreed would be replaced.
• 22 March, 2008, while driving I noticed that it appears the dash board has been removed to perform part of the work. Two pieces of the speaker on the top of the dash are broken. I will report this to Peter when the car returns on Wednesday. Also I’ve noticed that they have damaged the roof button while trying to remove it with a screwdriver. Something else to report to them.
• 25 March, 2008. Called Alfa service centre to check on the status of the part. Was advised it’s not in as yet and they will call should the part be in tomorrow.
PHILLIP BRANDER
- BRISBANE, QLD - AUS
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BUSINESS AUTOMOTIVE 2008 LET'S SUM IT UP 13/03/2008
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So let’s sum it up:
Kia Carnivals – blows motors, major major problems, stay away from Hyundai – loses paint, stay away Nissan Patrol 3 litre diesels – blows engines, clutches and gearboxes, stay away Nissan Navara diesels – engine problems, clutch problems, stay away Holden Astras – straight out lemons, stay away Holden Vectras – same as Astra, stay away Landrover – the three amigos – stay away Ford Falcons – mix water and transmission fluids – stay away Renaults – gearbox problems Plus warnings on Jeep Parramatta – arrogant sales people, stay away
So far, in all the stories posted on this site, there has been almost no acceptance of any responsibility by the dealers and manufacturers. Conspicuously absent are the so called “grey imports” so labelled by the Australian car industry to taint them and so readily banned by the Howard government in 2005 to “protect” the Australian car industry, leading to the decimation of the car import industry and the loss of hundreds of jobs, mainly in Queensland.
And, this is the clincher, guess what? All cars in the list above are imports except one. So lemons all around.
Isn’t it amazing what the car industry in Australia is getting away with?
Australians have never had it better Mr. Howard! LOL!
E NAR
- SYDNEY, NSW - AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL LS 2002 NEVER BUY A KIA CARNIVAL - BEWARE - VERY FAULTY 11/02/2008
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We purchased a 2002 Kia Carnival in September 2007. A few days before Xmas, both head gaskets in car went - hand brake cables need replacing as the handbrake not holding the car properly, the transmission is doing this and shouldn't be. The fuel injectors need replacing as we are going through a lot of fuel and we have no power in the car.
We purchased this vehicle in good faith as we have four children and thought it would be great for the room capacity. It has been nothing but heartache and headaches - we have spent thousands of dollars already trying to fix these problems and the 3 year warranty on the vehicle doesn’t cover any of it as its a second hand car and it always gets put down to wear and tear.
It came from a one owner history and even a mechanic has told us that there is no way we could have known all these problems were due to occur but unfortunately they have. We are struggling to make the loan payments and well as pay the thousands of dollars in which we owe for repairs and there is still more things needing doing
Please if you think of a Kia, think again.
J JESSOP
- MT EVELYN, VIC, AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL 2002 RE: ONLY DONE 90.000KM HEAD GASKET GONE SECOND TIME KIA WONT HELP 9/02/2008
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I see these gut wrenching stories of Kia Carnival engines and the desperate requests for advice as to what to do with them.
Luke says' cut your losses, get rid of it" I hope this doesn't mean, bodge it up and sell it. No dealer with any nouse is going to take one of these vehicles, so you are left with trying to pass it on to some poor unsuspecting buyer (and this was the category some of these people posting on this forum were in). It is morally wrong to do this and causes a fresh round of misery.
These vehicles should only be sold with blown engines (unless Kia are paying for repairs in which case the buyer is at least getting a possibly cured engine) so that people are not duped into buying a piece of heartbreak.
DAVID DONNE
- MURWILLUMBAH, NSW, AUS
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HOLDEN VIVA 2006 ALL MY FAULT! 4/02/2008
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I recently took my Holden Viva back to where I purchased it from two years ago at Nowra City Holden. Reasons being is that several faults where noticed, and when I'm paying a lot of money off this car, I didn't expect faults like these to arise. If not later, then never at all.
*The Holden badge on the steering wheel looked like diamond, crusty things, that were eating away at the silver part of the symbol. It feels smooth, like it should, but something just looks as if something actually were eating away at it!
*The interior trim on the dashboard is "rubbing away" and more or less looks like it has peeled.
*The CD player has an intermittent fault that when playing a CD, the music would stop, then an error will flash "disc error" a few times then the radio will automatically come on. Then this fault became non-stop as no CD at all will be accepted. We tried all sorts of CD's from older ones to new.
*The air conditioner smells really strong like vinegar, a real musty, just rained really bad kind of smell.
*Inside car smell - When you get into the car it smells really bad too. Like a musty smell. It gets really bad when it has rained, then when the rain has stopped and the sun comes out, the car heats up inside and bingo! It's so off you gave to air the car out for a long time just to get rid of it.
Anyway, I was really pleased that the guys at Nowra City Holden are going to replace these parts, the whole bit apart from the smell inside of the car which they will have to do a wet test on, but they had an excuse for every fault I came back for.
*The steering wheel - apparently my rings on my fingers were scratching it. It still feels smooth.
*The air con - the guys at another service centre where I take my car where blamed for touching this part of the car when they didn't. We rang them and asked them as our mate does our services. They were approved to do the servicing on this vehicle.
*The CD player - I was told to try new CD's in it and not scratched ones then come back later if that didn't work and then look at replacing it.
*The smell in the car - It was my fault for not wiping my feet when getting into the car when it's raining. I also got told it's because I don't get my car detailed every six months and don't keep it clean 24-7 and leave items in there. It's a car isn't it? Are we meant to use these cars or what?
*The trim interior - My fault once again as I don't put my car in a garage every day and night as I park it on the street. They said it's the UV rays getting in the car and making the paint peel off. I have tinted windows too and they said that this still won't keep out the UV rays so it's still all my fault!
Why buy a new car? They are not what they are cracked up to be. This is my second brand new car and although I had absolutely no dramas with my Mitsubishi Lancer 2003 model, I really feel as if I have gotton the raw end of the deal here in the customer service point of view. I believe that not all customers are right, but when you hear excuse after excuse that it's all the customers fault, I'm sorry but you need to check these faults out before you take judgment. Yes they can replace the faulty parts, but have they found the fault that has done this to my car? Can it be prevented? No, they haven't given me any answers to my questions and all they can do is to cover it up and hopefully the fault will never come back.
I will never buy a Holden again all because of a bad customer service experience from Holden Nowra City Motors.
LEAH PLAYER
- NOWRA, NSW - AUS
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FORD FALCON SR BF 2007 MY FORD 31/01/2008
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My problem is quite a simple one, yet none of the management team seems to be able to make a decision to resolve this issue.
I purchased a new Ford SR BF on 5 March 2007 from Peter Warren Ford Warwick Farm Sydney. The vehicle was not in a fit or merchantable state to be sold to me, it has been back to service on at least 19 occasions, had a software program run through the gearbox, a new gearbox, a new K Bar, a new battery and various other replacements and services.
The car was, at Ford's request, left for a whole week with Sinclair Ford, supposedly for engineers from Melbourne to come up and look at the car. The car has a problem with the gearbox still and the car has creaked since new. Ford have not, since new, been able to find or rectify the creaking problem, which becomes quite loud when it is raining and underneath the vehicle becomes wet.
Margaret Horesh Customer Relations Centre Manager, was to contact me yesterday (30th Jan) with an offer to settle the matter Her offer made today (31st Jan) was to take the vehicle into service again so technical staff could look at it but I am sorry we have been there, done that! I do not consider this an offer at all but a “fob off” once again.
My husband and I have not been unreasonable in requesting either a replacement vehicle, which we are prepared to pay a little extra towards or perhaps a demonstration vehicle with a few kilometres on it. At this stage we are not prepared to once again take the vehicle in to service.
There is a point in time when enough is enough and I wonder how many more times the vehicle has to be "looked at" before someone can make a final decision. I am preparing to file an application with the Consumer, Trader and Tenancy Tribunal seeking an order for a replacement vehicle or a fair and equitable compensatory award.
Ford buyer for 25 years but unfortunately no more!
Leanne
LEANNE AQUILINA
- PENRITH, NSW - AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL LS 2001 EMISSIONS LIGHT KEEPS COMING ON 21/01/2008
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I bought a 2001 LS Kia Carnival in 2004 for $18,500 and it has been a never ending money pit. I wish I had known about this website before I purchased this. I tell everyone now never go near a Kia Carnival.
I have had numerous problems - the major one, along with most other Kia owners is the blowing up of the head gasket. Car has always been regularly serviced. We never drive my car any long distances as it is too unreliable, we have only clocked up an additional 25,000km since Feb. 2004.
A problem that is ongoing is that the emissions light keeps coming on and the car temporarily loses power and shudders. This can last anywhere from a couple of seconds to the entire journey. My mechanic has tried numerous things and he is also at a loss as to what the problem could be. We have replaced spark plugs, numerous fuel filters and anything else he can think of to no avail.
If anyone has experienced this or may be able to offer a suggestion any help would be much appreciated.
KAREN WILLIAMS
- BRISBANE, QLD, AUS
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HOLDEN VECTRA CD 2000 AUTO TRANS CHECK MESSAGE ON DIGITAL READOUT SCREEN 19/01/2008
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Hello,
I own a 2000 Vectra CD Automatic 4 cylinder model with 114,100 kms. I have had the car serviced regularly, according to kms travelled.
I have read a few of the comments and I wish I had checked out the car I was buying a little better. In fairness, I haven't had much trouble with my car at all, certainly not in comparison with some people. The problems I have had are as follows:
1. The wonderful ear-shattering Blaupunkt radio problem. This has been reported by many fellow Vectra owners, where for some reason the radio comes on at full volume. Most of the time, I don't even have the radio on anymore, it's too much of a problem. I would always turn off my radio before I switched off the car, then after I had started the car again I would frantically use the volume down key to turn the radio down to a normal level. BTW, I think the placement of the volume up/volume down buttons on the steering wheel is quite inconvenient. I guess I could buy a new radio/cd player and have it installed, but I can't justify the expense. I did tell the dealership from where I bought the car about it, but they said the warranty doesn't cover it.
2. Cooling system problem - another common fault, my experience is similar to many others.
3. Brake rotors had to be replaced at 114,000 kms.
4. The most major problem that I have had (that is happening at the moment) is the intermittent message on the digital readout screen saying "Auto Trans - Check". The first time this happened, I couldn't understand what was wrong. The car was in "D", but it wasn't really moving. I got the RACV to come and they said that the computer had set the car into 'safe mode' and I had to drive the car using the gears. The safe mode was supposed to avoid over-revving the engine.
Anyway, I used the gears and drove the car. I had made an appointment with the Holden dealer (I won't mention them at this point) to get the problem fixed. They had the car for 2 days and said that they had fixed the transmission. The put in a new module and said that they had done extensive road tests, but after 10 minutes of me picking up the car and begin driving it home, the warning message came back on the readout and I had to use the gears.
I took the car back and it was clear that the Holden service centre did not know what the problem was. They have now arranged for a specialised auto transmission company to test the transmission/module and have indicated to me that it will be very expensive.
My concern is that this fault may be something really simple and I don't want to get ripped off any more than I already have. I am trying to brainstorm possible causes of the problem and suspect some kind of electrical malfunction, rather than a genuine automatic transmission problem. I have read about voltage spikes and I was wondering, since this fault is intermittent, could voltage spikes be a possibility?
This next idea is quite bizarre, so bear with me, but I know someone who said they heard of ants getting into the electrical system of a car and creating major damage. Has anyone else ever heard of that?
If there is anyone out there who thinks they may know what is going on with my car, could you please post a reply? I would appreciate any ideas or assistance. I am due to take the car in this Monday, and will be without it for a week, plus I may be up for hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars in potentially unnecessary work.
Thank you.
SHARON RICHARDS
- MELBOURNE, VIC, AUS
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HONDA ACCORD EURO 2006 DOOR RATTLES / HONDA DEALERS A NIGHTMARE 19/12/2007
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In common with other posters, both doors of my Accord rattle in a highly irritating fashion. The dealers do not want to know as I have tried several times to get this fixed in the past. Normally it’s 'no fault found' yet it must be a common complaint.
Recently I booked my car into Hornsby Honda for the 30K service. They charge $25 for collection/delivery, but didn't collect the car as agreed, so I rang. They collected the car straight away, kept it 4 hours and brought it back no charge. The delivery guy didn't want to discuss the service with me and virtually ran away. Funny I thought, so looked at the work sheet. Rattles, no fault found. Valeted and vacuumed no charge. But no service carried out. Of course it was the service I wanted to maintain my warranty, but that was obviously too much for Hornsby Honda, who suggested I book the car in again. I told them no thanks.
So I booked the car into Advanx Honda, Gosford. They performed the service and attempted to fix the rattles, unsuccessfully. At least they tried. Two days later my wife found the passenger side front electric window switch didn't work ... so I put the window down using the drivers switch, only to find it wouldn't go back up. Took the car back to Advanx, who diagnosed a faulty window switch, which they had to order to replace under warranty. They managed to hotwire the window back up.
So all well and good ... but not quite. As an electronics engineer I decided to investigate the faulty switch to find out why it had failed so early. Surely Honda quality had not got that bad! When I disassembled the switch the whole inside (sliding contact) was missing. A further call to Advanx and eventually they admitted that had destroyed the switch when they took the door off, and they just reassembled the door and said nothing, guess they hoped I wouldn't notice!
So having changed from Holden to Honda, because of useless dealers and poor build quality, what do I find, much the same, unfortunately. Guess it will have to be Toyota next!
JONATHAN PIPPARD
- WOY WOY BAY, NSW, AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL 2004 RE: THE WHOLE CAR SHAKES LIKE JELLY WHEN UNDER LOAD 4/12/2007
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Hi. I have a 2004 Carnival with exactly the same problem. I just purchased it from a reputable Holden dealer a couple of weeks back and it has a 3 year full warranty. It was an exceptional deal which was the main reason I bought it and it's in new like condition.
I took it back and told them it shook at low speeds like you say, then around the 60 mark it is Ok. The big problem for me is above 80 where it shakes really badly. They fitted new tyres when I bought it and we all thought it may be the wheel balancing and indeed they did find that the wheel balancing was in fact way out, but it did not fix the problem. It is currently in there again as I write.
I told them that I suspected it was a drive train related problem and they after some testing agreed that that may in fact be the case and they have removed the drive shaft and have sent it away for further testing to see if it a balance problem or whatever. I will let you know with an update when they call me back later today with the news.
I was fully aware of the problems that Kia Carnivals have had and that is the reason I bought it with a full 3 year warranty and from a Quality reputable dealer. Buying any other way is potentially a big risk for your $$$$$.
Regards Mitch
MITCHELL CLARK
- SYDNEY, ACT, AUS
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HOLDEN ASTRA TS 2000 ASTRA IGNITION BARREL FIXED ... NO COST! 3/12/2007
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I have a TS 2000 Astra and the key kept getting jammed. It won’t turn. It happened about two years ago and cost $300 from memory. I have searched /googled every site in the world or so it seems on this problem. Seems there are Many Astra owners with this problem.
Today - fixed it ... and it didn’t cost a penny.
Step 1. Pop off the front top cover immediately behind the steering wheel. The one which the indicator and wipers stalks go through.
Step 2. Get a star (like an allen key) key and undo one screw from underneath, and two on the top sides (Revealed after step 1).
Step 3. Depress the latch on the side of the wiper stalk assy and slide out the whole assy from the slot, towards you.
Step 4. Get a small nail or very small screw driver and poke it into the small hole revealed by removing the wiper assy.
Step 5. Put your key into the gin and while holding the nail in the small hole (pressing inwards) pull the whole barrel assy out. Easy! (There's a small spring loaded 'catch' on the barrel which locks it inside the steering column.
Step 6. Look at the opp end of the barrel to the key and see a small pin which rotates when the key is turned. The last position of this pin, when you remove the key from the barrel is where the problem lies. There's a small 'ramp' inside the barrel which you can see. It will be burred and pitted from use. (and a 'sharp' end on the pin. Steel pin and soft metal barrel)
Step 7. Use a small file to smooth the metal ramp.
Step 8. Rotate the key all the way "on". Depress the Pin in slightly (against a spring) so you can rotate the barrel to the end and the pin will pop out. (Don’t Lose It, or the small spring inside the hole the pin came out of!)
Step 9. File the fat end of the pin to look rounded, not flat. This makes it easier to ride up the ramp and prevent damaging the *hit metal ramp again.
Step 10 Reinstall the pin and rotate the key so the pin can’t fly out.
Step 11. Put a small amt of grease on the pin and work with the key backwards and forwards to ensure it is working OK.
Step 12. Hold the spring catch (Step 5) down with a small screwdriver and reinsert the barrel. It can only go back in One Way! Trail and error will find it!
Step 13. Reverse assemble the stalks, covers etc.
Saved around $140 in parts.
Good luck
ROB ADAMS
- SYDNEY, NSW - AUS
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HOLDEN ASTRA CD TS 2000 VERY DISAPPOINTED... 2/12/2007
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Hello there, thought I would share the news about my Astra TS 2000 model.
I bought this car second hand from Ross Llewelyn Motors in Ipswich in February 07, and since then I have had numerous problems with this car. When I took it in for it service at 75,000km I had to get the Air con compressor replaced, headlights replaced, the drive belt pulley had to be replaced, throttle body needle replaced, and the bonnet also needed adjusting.
Everything had been fine except for the slow kick overs when starting the car every now and then but something very strange happened yesterday as I was in the drive thru I noticed my car idling very weird. I then noticed that my whole car was shaking more than normal at first I thought it had lost an engine mount but when I drove off my car would not go over 60km and there was a strong delay in the revs. I’m not too sure what’s wrong with it now but I will ring dealership on Monday to have it towed there to be fixed.
Fingers crossed whatever is wrong with it now will be under warranty. Could be as little as a spark plug to be only running on 3 cylinders. I hope I have good news because I will be trading the car in after the repairs as I’ve only done 11,000ks in it and the odometer is at 86,000km. Gee even my VN commodore '90 has never needed this much work, that odometer is at 390,000!
AILEEN RICHARDSON
- GOLD COAST, QLD, AUS
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LANDROVER DISCOVERY II 1999 ABS MODULATOR FAILURE 11/11/2007
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Mine is a Series II 1999 model V8. Current odometer 106,000km I have had the ABS failure (ABS/TC/HDC lights on) happen sporadically for about a year. Sometimes there is no problem for a few weeks, then it happens frequently for a while. The repair cost is about $4000. It does seem to happen at the instant of touching the brake pedal, before much actual braking has happened. Quite often when reversing.
I have had one unrelated brake problem. Towing a camper trailer with electric brakes, there was a short in the brake circuit in the trailer, causing a fuse to blow in the car and the car brake lights to fail. I wonder if the ABS problem may be a side effect of this incident.
Apart from this the car has been ... well, amazingly unreliable. It breaks down on almost every holiday. I still love driving it, when it works.
TIM KIDDLE
- FITZROY NORTH, VIC, AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL 2002 KIA MOTORS PAID FOR MY REPAIRS IN FULL! 8/11/2007
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KIA Motors will give a Refund or pay to repair any defective engines that were installed in their KIA Carnival vehicles. But they won’t just do it because you asked them. You have to insist, demand that they do so, and make it clear to KIA you will accept nothing less.
You have to lodge formal complaints with your own States Consumer Affairs Department & Insist that they act on your behalf & hundreds of other consumers in your State that have also been affected. Remind your State Consumer Affairs Department that it is their job to act to protect consumer’s rights when they try to dismiss your complaint. (Trust me they will do this as their first response).
Ask how you can appeal their decision not to prosecute KIA (Every Gov’t Dept’s decision is open to appeal trust me again on this). Write to the Minister of this Department (“CC” the letter to the opposition party) complaining about his Departments lack of action.
We own 2002 KIA Carnival LS manual that suffered engine failure due to a manufacturing defect that is apparently inherent with this model of vehicle. On the 25th September 2007 we took our vehicle to our local KIA Dealer Wangara KIA for assessment after we noticed that engine oil had mixed with coolant in radiator. On the 3rd October 2007 I was informed by the Service Manager at Wangara KIA, that KIA Motors Australia had offered to supply us a reconditioned “Short Motor” including various misc parts at no charge. However he informed us that we were expected to pay for all labour costs, machining of cylinder head, oils etc at an estimated cost to us of approx $2,500 - $3,000.
Our Vehicle Details:
KIA Carnival VIN Number: KNAUP752226294825 Engine# K5043304 Manufactured: March 2002 – Imported into Australia: August 2002- First Registered NSW: October 2002. Bought second hand by us in WA Sept 2005 with 60,000 on the speedo.
KIA offered to supply us a short motor at their cost as "Goodwill"($1600) & we were expected to pay for labour & misc parts ($2600). We accepted this offer under sufferance, it took Wangara KIA 13 days to fix our engine & KIA supplied us a new loan car for 11 of these days at no cost to us.
We lodged a formal complaint with our State Consumer Affairs Department (DOCEP) who advised us that they had received 100's of formal complaints & are in the process of putting together a case file to prosecute KIA under the Trade Practice Act "Merchantable Quality" provisions.
A DOCEP representative inspected our engine at our KIA dealer when it was apart in their workshop, to gather evidence to form part of their case against KIA Motors. DOCEP wrote to KIA in early October 2007 asking them for a full refund for us & 6 other test case files that they had.
On the 1-11-2007 I received a phone call from Wangara KIA advising us that they had received a refund cheque from KIA Motors for all the money we had paid to repair our engine & that they would forward this to us. I received this refund cheque on Monday 5-11-2007 & banked it straight away, the cheque did clear. I don't know if our refund came about by action taken on our behalf by DOCEP or if it was a result of the letter we sent to KIA Motors & their dealer that resulted in us receiving a full refund. I can supply anyone copies of my letter of complaint to KIA Motors + A Copy of KIA’s invoice to us for our engine repairs + A Copy of KIA’s refund cheque paying us back for these costs. I have spoken to many other KIA Carnival owners who have also suffered engine failures most have had to pay in full to have their engine repaired because they weren’t aware KIA was contributing to repair costs. Several have had part of their costs paid by KIA (e.g: Goodwill offer Short motor only).
However I have come across a number of KIA Carnival owners who have had their repairs costs reimbursed in full by KIA Motors (Good news I have copies of their invoices etc showing Zero costs for repairs). The above was really easy to do. I just approached other KIA Carnival owners at shop’s, our kid’s school, sports events etc, I explained to them what had happened & they like you were more than willing to pass on their detail of their stories & outcomes.
KIA Motors has managed to get away with not having to fix engines because the majority of people owning KIA Carnivals don’t realize the extent of the problem & think it is just them. We have the power to break this cycle & speak to every KIA Carnival owner we come across & make them aware of the situation.
KIA are not a charity & are only paying consumers who know & demand their rights. If they thought they had any legal grounds to defend themselves they would have taken it. It is vital that you get aquatinted "Merchantable Quality" provisions of the trade practice act. (See web link & read to understand: http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/319431/fromItemId/319187)
If you don’t do this you won’t understand your rights & won’t be able to help yourself. It’s not as difficult to understand when you do read it.
The Australian Importer for KIA Motors at the time that these KIA Carnival vehicles were imported was a company called ATECO Automotive. Under the Trade Practice Act ATECO Automotive is just as libel for this mess as KIA & if pushed into a corner would give up KIA Motors to the ACCC in a heartbeat. I know that ATECO Automotive had advised KIA Motors to recall & fix all engines however KIA chose to do so.
If I couldn't get any joy from KIA motors I had planned to drag ATECO Automotive through the Courts & the ACCC as the Australian Importer of KIA Carnival.
ATECO Automotive Heritage Building Campus Business Park 350 Parramatta Road, Homebush, NSW 2140 Locked Bag 260, Silverwater NSW 1811 Tel: (02) 9701 8000 Fax: (02) 9701 3555
Please forward any information that you have to me on this problem as well as other peoples email addresses so I can also keep them informed.
I can’t stand the fact that so many innocent & vulnerable people have to go through this because a large multinational will not face up to its obligations under Australian law. The ACCC has failed to act on this issue because not enough people have complained to them. We need to encourage everyone to lodge a formal complaint with the ACCC only then will they realize the scope of the problem & act on behalf of all consumers affected.
We all have to help ourselves, a number of people have posted thoughts about starting a “Class Action” against KIA Motors through legal firms like Slater & Gordon however they have written to me advising me that they have no interest in acting for consumers in this instance. Everyone your best course of action is to get your own State Consumer Affairs Department to act on your behalf. That is what they are there for. They have the dollars & resources to do it. All you have to do is force them to act. (Don’t take no for an answer)
Happy to assist wherever I can just email.
DALE MORRIS
- WOODVALE, WA - AUS
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FORD FALCON XR6 2004 BA FALCON XR6 - NO PROBLEMS AT ALL 20/09/2007
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I purchased my BA Falcon XR6 5sp Manual second hand in December 2006. I have been - (and still am with that matter) very happy with this car. It has good performance and handling and is very comfortable to drive and it looks great in the Blueprint colour. I do fairly high kms per year in my car and can report that apart from a noisy wheel bearing (which was subsequently replaced under warranty) I have had no problems whatsoever with this car. It drives really well and is quite good on fuel (considering its size) with an average of 11L/100kms in town.
I believe this reaffirms my thoughts that manufacturers have good and bad days - in particular Ford. My advice to prospective buyers is to buy from a reputable dealer, and check the service history (including what has been replaced in the car - whether it be under warranty or not).
WILLIAM B
- SUNSHINE COAST, QLD, AUS
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LANDROVER DISCOVERY 1999 RE: ABS MODULATOR FAILURE (ARE YOUR ABS/TC/HDC LIGHTS ON?) 3/09/2007
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I too am a long suffering owner. However - I have now found new love for my car because I have access to what appears to be the most competent, capable, reasonable and knowledgeable Landrover mechanic in NSW (possibly the world!). Ever since I have had my car serviced by him, he is able to identify and fix the fault and fully explain the issue why it occurs.
As for the 3 amigo problem that someone so cutely called it, I too had the problem. I live in Bathurst and the next diagnostic computer I have access to is either 3 hours west in Dubbo or 3 hours east in Sydney at my wonderful mechanics.
After a phone call to him, he advised me that it is a common problem (yes you all know that) but the reason why is that because this was the first Landrover Disco manufactured by BMW (yes we are really elite car owners) BMW Engineers thought it would be a good idea that instead of using heavy duty ABS sensors on a 2.5 tonne 4x4 that they could get away with using ABS sensors from their biggest cars - a Series 5. Doesn't quite cut the mustard when you bump over a 4 inch deep pothole at 5klms per hour. Oh, yes it’s a four wheel drive isn't it!
Anyway all it took was a reset of the computer and I was back to normal. Worst case scenario it would have been a replacement sensor for around $250 from memory. My advice is get someone that really knows what they are doing and build a good relationship with them. It’s just finding them and I am loath to broadcast this guys business in fear of overwhelming him. The reason he is so good is that he did his apprenticeship with Landrover in the UK.
Good Luck everyone.
LEANNE
- BATHURST, NSW, AUS
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HOLDEN ASTRA TS CD 1.8 2000 SOME CHEAPER SOLUTIONS TO FIXING AN ASTRA I.E. IDLE PROBLEMS, ELEC WIND ... 19/08/2007
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Hi everyone, well like everyone else on here that has had a 1999-2005 Astra, they have had problems.
My girlfriend got an Astra about two years ago and overall I would rate the Astra an alright car with many (ok, more than many) problems over the years. The car seems to be built ok but hasn't had the finishing touches to improve a car like most manufacturers do. They have obviously done this so the dealers make more money with repairs.
The first problem we had was the cruise control. This is a bad one as it could be one of many things. I found the problem was a faulty button on the indicator stick and this was replaced under warranty but it did cost the dealer $150 (not a Holden dealership otherwise they would have said it’s not covered by warranty). No cheap fix for this one.
The second problem was a leaky headlight. You can remove the headlight easily from the car and wipe out the excess moisture and reseal it very easily using any clear sealant for $15. Just make sure you let it dry for a day and carefully remove any excess sealant with a sharp blade.
The third was the rear electric window. A Holden dealership will charge between $550-$800 and say its 2-3 hours labor. Go to Motor Traders and buy the unit for about $300. Take the door trim off. There is a screw where the door handle is in the hand groove. Remove the little mesh section in the door next to the door handle, and at the bottom of the door, then carefully pull the door trim off as it is only held on by white tabs. Then you will see several pot rivets. There are four holding the power window unit on and from memory two holding the handle on (leave these). Drill out the four pot rivets carefully using a drill and an appropriate size drill bit. The unit can then be pulled out of the bottom of the door complete. Slide the new unit in and slot the window into it as you put it in place and pot rivet the new one in place with large pot rivets. Replace the door trim and test. I did this in about 45 minutes the first time I did it.
The final is the idle problem. If you stop after driving and either your car stalls all the time or idle drops to about 500rpm and shudders, then lifts back up to normal, the computer will say unknown problem to the mechanic and some better mechanics will know this is the idle control valve on your throttle body. A Holden dealership will tell you need a new one but it will cost about $800 as it’s all joined to the throttle body. I removed the inlet pipe going onto the throttle body, (the big black one) by loosening a hose clamp and looked inside. There was a thick oil coating everywhere inside from the emissions hose (can’t remove it!). So clean all of that out with a rag and open the throttle with your hand and clean as much as you can (whatever you do, don’t drop anything down there as you wont be able to get it out without pulling the engine apart). Then put the inlet pipe back on and start your car, as good as new.
But earlier this morning the bonnet release cable has either broken or come off under the hood and I can’t open it and have been told the only way to do it is to smash the grill to get to the latch. Great engineering by the Holden Astra team, once again!
Hope this helps some people.
TORY SCAFE
- ADELAIDE, SA - AUS
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SUBARU LIBERTY MY00 1999 SUBARU LIBERTY 2000 FINALLY A QUALITY VEHICLE. SOLID AS A ROCK! 10/08/2007
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After owning 2 Fords, 1 Holden, 2 Mitsubishis, 1 Nissan, 2 Toyotas, 2 Hyundais and 1 Mazda I have plenty of experience with Car purchases and performance. I am very pleased to announce that I have finally found a High Quality Vehicle.
I purchased my Subaru Liberty GX Wagon in June 2006 for $13000 and have added 20,000 km's to its 190,000 total. I can honestly say I have never driven a more solid feeling vehicle. We purchased a 2 year full warranty with the vehicle for $1500 and I am delighted to say it was a complete waste of money as I am yet to use it. This car beats the lot. This car still drives as brand new with nearly 200,000kms on the clock. The handling is second to none and the safety features are fantastic.
I recently had a near collision at 120kph where a car stopped still in the middle of the lane on crest/corner of the F3 Freeway. The car in the left lane had locked up to almost a halt and I managed to avoid both of these cars within cms by weaving through the middle of them due to the fantastic handling of my Subaru. I lost absolutely no control of my vehicle due to ABS and AWD.
The late model Commodore behind me with twice the response time was not so lucky I am sorry to say and did not manage to avoid collision despite trying to follow the same route. After 20 years of driving I can safely say that I am 95% sure that I would not have avoided this collision in any of the previous cars that I have driven.
I will never purchase anything but Subaru in the future and highly recommend them to anyone who is after safety, handling and pure quality in a vehicle. There is not a single thing that I can fault in this vehicle from the engine to interior. Subaru are as Solid As A Rock!
RENEE COLANGELO
- CAMPBELLTOWN, NSW - AUS
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NISSAN PULSAR 2001 RE: NISSAN PULSAR Q HATCH 2001: INADEQUATE PAINT COVERAGE 8/08/2007
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Hi J Craig
The same thing is happening to my fiancée and me with our 2004 Nissan Pulsar. The paint has begun to peel off in the exact same spot as yours however on the passenger’s side.
Yes I went to a Nissan dealer in Sydney and photos were taken (only about 1 month ago now), a quote was provided and was sent to Head Office in Melbourne. I had to contact the dealer about 1 week after and he advised that due to the age of the car they can not help me whatsoever.
I proceeded to ring Head Office in Melbourne and I was told the same thing there and that many factors can account for the paint doing this such as bird dropping … after 5 years that's some powerful droppings!
I owned a 1975 Torana which had immaculate paintwork after 30 odd years so I can not quite comprehend when a car that is only 5 years old and is well maintained and looked after can do this. I am of the same impression as you J Craig; this has to be a manufacturing fault.
I am still follow up with different angles I can take to get this issue resolved as I am still quite in disbelief over the whole situation and Nissan’s handling of the matter.
My apologies to you as I know how disheartening and frustrating this must be for you, I know it is for me. I will keep you posted on any progress which I may have.
Thanks. Samantha and Jonathan
SAMANTHA LAVELLE
- PLUMPTON, NSW - AUS
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VOLKSWAGEN GOLF 2007 RE: GOLF 2007: BULB FAULT LIGHT IN TACHO CLUSTER 28/07/2007
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Dear Darren, I have encountered a similar problem when I worked at a Volvo Workshop. The Volvos had a device called a Bulb Failure Warning Sensor, and it would trigger the warning lamp if it detected an imbalance in current flow between the left and right hand lamps (i.e. a blown RH side brake lamp would have no current flow and the LH side would, it was so sensitive it would even detect bulbs that were about to fail and also detect cheaper Asian bulbs compared to original German ones).
To correctly wire a tow bar up you would have to pull out all the carpet and trim and run the wiring loom up under the dash and wire it in before the sensor. That way the extra current running the trailer lamps would not affect the sensor. If a lazy technician wired it to the wiring loom at the rear lamps, as soon as you hooked up the trailer the BFWS would detect the imbalance in current and trigger the warning lamp. It may be that your vehicle has a similar system and it was wired incorrectly.
GEOFF
- BUNBURY, WA - AUS
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SUBARU LIBERTY 2000 RE: BUY A SUBARU AND YOU WONT HAVE PROBLEMS 27/07/2007
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I have to agree with "Good News".
We bought a Liberty in 2000, not without some tribulations on delivery schedule changes with the then dealership in Camberwell~ish, not sure if they're still there, hope not as they were ineffective and inept to put it mildly. The car however speaks for itself, one warranty issue with the power steering - I was being picky - but the country dealership performed the work under warranty, no quibbles. The car has done over 140kks and feels like the day we bought it.
I was so impressed by this car that when I needed a ute to do some wheelbarrow work in the paddock I bought a - you guessed it - Brumby. Although somewhat of a rust bucket, it floats in the mud, seldom requires 4WD, and only bridged once across its midriff - these cars are tough as they come even in rusted form.
Impressed by the years of service to date, I couldn't resist and bought a 2 Door STi (99 job) from my friend who had it from new. Although it had 100kks on the clock, it was not driven irresponsibly or molested with modifications or other add-ons - easy decision. From being a Toyota family - although good reliable cars - they just do not have the engaging drivability of their fellow compatriots.
Although that said, I am fanatical on the service front and the use of genuine parts, so don't expect any car to survive without regular maintenance, it all adds up to longevity.
The daily driver I have had for over 22 years is evidence of that, neither a Toyota nor Subaru, but a Honda Civic that has almost clocked 450kks on its original engine / tranny - no surgery yet touch wood. It’s a Honda Civic Shuttle (1984) that has been in equivalent distance - to the moon and is on its way back home. When it returns (distance wise), maybe the head office at Honda could serve as its new home to advertise how long its product can last with genuine parts and regular servicing.
LAKESH PARAG
- BACCHUS MARSH, VIC - AUS
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KIA RIO 2004 TIMING BELT FAILURE AT 71,000KM & KIA WILL ONLY PAY FOR PARTS 16/07/2007
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I bought the KIA Rio in March 2004, my warranty ran out on 26 March 2007. On 2 July 2007 after only 71,000km the timing belt failed and bent two valves thus requiring an engine rebuild.
Today 16 July 2007 I am told by the dealer that KIA will under their Goodwill Warranty offer pay for the parts $1100 associated with fixing the engine and replacing the timing belt. However the labour costs of at minimum $1245.00 will have to be covered by me.
After ringing KIA to query this decision I am told that the timing belt is considered a consumable of the vehicle and that they only ever do a 50% deal on Goodwill Warranty fixes. I was told "The bottom line is that the car is out of warranty and they are doing me a favour agreeing to paying for the parts". When I said yet your service manual does not have the timing belt looked at until after 90,000km so there obviously was something wrong with the belt and it was faulty. I was told "yes that maybe but the timing belt is a consumable under the warranty so it is only covered for the replacement of the belt not the engine rebuild." I said "even though the engine damage is directly related to the timing belt failing when it should not have." The answer was "Yes".
I am a single Mum who really needs her car to get to and from work and to get things done. I am now in a bind. I can not afford $1245 I can no afford to have my car off the road. The dealer National Capital Motors Tuggeranong told me on 2 July that it could take over two months to have back on the road due to the number of vehicles they have waiting for engine rebuilds (does this say something about KIA?). Now they say it can be done in about a week after they get the go ahead. No courtesy car - that apparently is my problem not theirs. I feel I am being intimidated into agreeing to the deal just so I can get my car back on the road.
KIA's comment when asked who can I appeal to - no one here, write to Customer Service Management and see what happens. Again more delays in any action, they just want me to go away.
Can I ask if any one out there has had the same problem can you contact me so we can approach KIA on mass and if that doesn't work we can take a class action out against them. I know the KIA Carnival's have a long history of engine problems and KIA was forced in many cases to replace the engine and cover the cost. The same should apply to this situation.
So anyone with a problem with KIA timing belts failing before 90,000km can you please contact Julia.
Thanks, Julia
JULIA FELTON
- CANBERRA, ACT - AUS
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NISSAN PATROL CAB/CHASSIS 2006 NEW ST4.2 - RUNS A TREAT. 11/07/2007
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Sold the 'soft roader' and bought a proper 4WD.
I've had problems with the last two 4WDs with fly-by-wire throttles, eng management systems, ABS, etc., etc. and took a backwards step to the diesel with no electronics ... best move I've ever made.
The 4.2 ran 100% across Oz without missing a beat and I can now service my own car again.
CHRIS DAVIS
- PERTH, WA - AUS
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FORD TERRITORY 2006 FORD GHIA WASTE OF MONEY - FORD SERVICE WASTE OF TIME 11/07/2007
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I bought a brand new Ghia for my wife as a surprise and boy did she get one when it wouldn't start the next morning. And this was just the beginning of our trouble:
Mechanical Issues:
• 144km - Battery not charging, faulty alternator identified and replaced • 917kms - Tailgate latch not shutting (resulting in my dog falling out onto the road while driving uphill) • 1017kms - Window shades falling off, clips re-glued • 2089kms - Cruise control faulty, cruise control switch replaced • 2089 kms - Tailgate strap adrift, tailgate strap removed and replaced • 2089kms - Window shades falling off, clips re-glued (AGAIN) • 4875 kms - Tailgate strap adrift, tailgate strap removed and replaced (AGAIN) • 9980kms - Engine light on, car shudders violently when accelerating, loses power, 3 different undiagnosed error codes logged on computer
Service issues (just a summary of the many):
• City Ford - After faulty alternator incident, I was offered a tank of petrol and a full detail as compensation. I explained that this had absolutely no value to me because my car's leased, which means petrol is already paid for...and there is no value to me detailing a 2 week old car. City Ford decided to do it anyway. • City Ford - I waited 9 days for a response to an email, and the only reason I eventually got one is because I followed up with another email asking what was happening • Ford Customer Care - They offered me car wash vouchers as 'goodwill', but mistakenly got vouchers for sedans (instead of 4WDs) so I had to pay the difference. Instead of having the correct vouchers (for 4WDs) re-issued, Ford Customer Care called the car wash owner and asked that he accept my sedan vouchers as 4WD vouchers whenever I come in. I now have to phone the car wash owner on his mobile every time I use a voucher and spend 10 minutes explaining to someone who speaks only broken English who I am, what the arrangement was with Ford and then hand him over to his staff member to sign it off - a fantastic service experience! Thanks Ford, but it's more trouble than it's worth. • Dominelli Ford - I phone the 'service' department, and let it ring for 6 minutes while I make a coffee but still no-one answers. I ring again and wait 3 minutes, eventually someone answers. What kind of business uses the word 'service' in its title (as in Dominelli Service Department) when they can't even answer the phone on a weekday at 10.15am? • Dominelli Ford - I request my vehicle's service history be faxed to me, 2 days later nothing has been faxed, so I have to call Dominelli and ask again
Don't waste your money on a Ford - get a reliable Toyota or Subaru. They're better products with better after-sales service. Besides, at this rate, Ford Australia won't be around much longer. The irony is that Ford staff will be screaming blue murder when they close down the manufacturing plants and call centres and lose their jobs, but if they manufactured better products and provided better service they'd still have their jobs.
DAVID HAYMAN
- SYDNEY, NSW - AUS
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CHEVROLET LUMINA 2006 DOOR HANDLE AND MECHANISMS 6/07/2007
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I own a 2005 Chevrolet four door Lumina with less then 50K miles and as for mechanical problems there have been a few but nothing to write home to mom about.
The problem I had, almost from day one has been with all four door handles. Less then 2 weeks after my wife and I purchased this auto (new) the back two door handles broke off in my hand. I called the dealer and he told me that he has never heard of such a problem but because the car was under warranty they would fix it.
A month later when helping my mother in the back seat and just after shutting the door the Whole Mechanical Door Assembly fell off. (This was the one the dealer just replaced).
This problem went on over the whole time I had the car. Not only the back two doors but the driver side and front passenger side as well. Each time I had to take my car to the dealer for repairs there was a charge of $50.00 a pop.
After doing some research into this problem I found that Lumina’s were not the only models that were having problems with door handle assemblies. Corsica, Caprice, Impala’s, Cobalt’s and Malibu’s were having the same exact problems.
After talking to the Certified Chevrolet Auto Mechanic that replaced the last set of door handles, he states the problem is the not only is the door handle made from a light weight plastic but the mounting brackets that hold the door mechanism to the inside of the door frame is too, this coupled to the design of the door where the handles are placed so close to the leading edge of the door frame causes the plastic door assembly to see greater vibration and shock when the doors are closed.
As yet Chevrolet has not had a recall on door handle mechanisms.
MARK MILLER
- LIVERMORE, USA
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RENAULT SCENIC PRIVLEDGE 2001 5 YEARS TROUBLE FREE MOTORING 6/07/2007
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Just sold the Renault Scenic we purchased new in March 2002.
Got to say it's a brilliant design and a very flexible vehicle. Travelled from Sydney to Tasmania and various trips up the north coast as well as lots of suburban commuter use. Never any trouble of any magnitude.
Only criticisms are: Although a 2 litre manual the Scenic seems to have only adequate power. You need to use the gears to get it going. It lacks the torque of a 2 litre VW Golf for example. Original battery seemed underpowered and packed it in within 2 years of age. Replaced with more powerful battery and no problems since. Front brake rotors needed replacing at around 50,000klm, which is a short life by my expectations.
This was our first French car and we were very happy with it. My wife, in particular, was sorry to see it go. She felt very safe driving it and often commented how easy she found it to drive. If I was in the market for this type of vehicle again I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.
JOHN REID
- SYDNEY, NSW - AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL LS 2002 ANYBODY INTERESTED IN A CLASS ACTION? 1/07/2007
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Same deal as everybody else here! 2002 model had it since new, 58,000ks. The car comes out of lease in 3 weeks, and has now completely expired, oil in water, head gasket gone, wet sleeves ...etc etc. You've all heard the story (7800 times)
Spoke to Kia "customer service" initially we got the "I don't know what you're talking about" response. We highlighted the many articles where Kia admitted fault, highlighted the many comments by Kia spokespeople where they assured the journo that it was under control, they would fix it, they would offer a loan car etc. and the conversation turned very adversarial.
If we were the only people who had this problem, I would just consider ourselves unlucky, and try to get through the enormous pain and cost. At last count however, over 7800 cars had been identified, which I believe is more than 2/3 the number sold in that period. So it's fair to say, there is no denying that this car has a significant design flaw, a flaw which was known when we purchased the car new, and yet nothing was done about it. What little I know about the law suggests to me that this contravenes Trade Practices Act. And if there's no recourse through that, or the various State Fair Trading bodies, then I'm happy to band together with the other 7800 to establish a civil class action suit.
In the short term however, if anyone is in Sydney, and is stuck with a Kia Carnival with this problem, I'm happy to hear from you. I have the intention of getting as many of these long suffering folks together as possible, and we'll all get our cars towed to Homebush, dumped out the front, with big signs in the window, pointing out to the public how utterly pathetic this whole situation is. I think if we can organize it well enough (that is more than around 20 at the same time), then we should get some press. Make it 100 and we'll get plenty. I'll be leaving my Carnival there anyway, as I've got no use for it. If I get it fixed, it will owe me $24k with the payout.
Obvious Issue, Obvious Flaw, Obviously A Fundamental Problem, Not So Obvious A Solution.
Enough is enough, the arrogance of this Korean company to believe that if they close their eyes, we Australians will all go away, just astounds me.
PAUL WILCOX
- SYDNEY, NSW - AUS
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NISSAN PATROL 2002 WRONG DIFFERENTIAL 26/06/2007
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In March 2002, we bought a new 4.2 Turbo Nissan Patrol Diesel Wagon with a limited slip diff. We have since travelled 100,000kms. It would have done less than 100 kms in 4WD and possibly 12,000 kms pulling a caravan. I do most of the servicing myself, as I have had 4x4 for 40 years and had always done the servicing.
When changing the rear diff oil I noticed small metal pieces. The metal pieces were the limited slip rings, which had broken up for some reason. There was no noise or damage to the crown wheel pinion. When I took the diff to the diff and transmission people, they informed me that it appeared that I had a pre 97 diff or an Y60 instead of an Y61. The difference between the two diffs is a massive increase in the size of the limited slip part in the Y61. On further investigation and inquiry at the Nissan dealership spare parts, I found this to be the truth.
I presented all this information to the customer relations people in Melbourne, who assured me that this just could not happen, despite of having it photographed and identified by the dealership. Later when I requested to see the Nissan Company rep I was told that if Melbourne told me there was nothing further they could do then the rep couldn’t help me.
Most Nissan Patrols also have a fault with the left hand front wheel, which will scrub out the tyre. A steering alignment cannot fix this. It has to have a part (not Nissan) that is readily available and which realigns the top bearing in the swivel pin housing.
Also, if you are a 4.2 Turbo owner and you want considerably more power, all you have to do is put a 3 inch muffler system from the turbo onwards, then have a diesel specialist do the timing and you will have a different vehicle.
DOUGLAS MCGILCHRIST
- WALLABADAH, NSW - AUS
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HOLDEN ASTRA CD 1999 BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR KEYS! 14/06/2007
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This is so embarrassing, but I want to warn others against making the same stupid mistake I did!
My 1999 Astra has been reasonably trouble-free until yesterday, when it just wouldn't start. I knew it wasn't a flat battery - the engine would start but shut down after about 5-10 seconds. Being a woman with no idea I called NRMA, who arrived in 15mins (record time?!). This guy tried everything he could think of and was eventually convinced that it had something to do with the power-steering pump. So off goes my car - towed to the nearest Holden Dealership - with me spending the rest of the day stressing about how much this is going to cost me... I've heard anything to do with power-steering can be expensive...
Anyway, I got the call from Holden and how embarrassing. The immobiliser chip was missing from my key. I'd totally forgotten about how I'd dropped my key the night before and it had fallen apart - I had simply picked it up and clipped it back together - how was I to know the immobiliser chip had fallen out! So, red-faced and $170 later I was driving my Astra home... hahaha how embarrassing :)
The moral of the story... if your car doesn't start, try your spare key!
SHANNYN
- PENRITH, NSW - AUS
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LANDROVER FREELANDER 2000 FIGHT THEM ALL THE WAY 13/06/2007
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In response to all the consumers out there who are having problems with their Freelanders Blown Head Gasket.
We have had the same problem where we have fixed it once and 3 months later it went back to the repairers with exactly the same problem. After pointless phone calls to Landrover we referred the matter to the Motor Vehicle Repair Industry. It is now in the hands of the CTTT and we will be having a hearing with them and Landrover for a decision as to who is at fault.
I would like to thank everyone for their complaints as I will be using them for my case. To all People involved you should contact the Motors Vehicle Repair Industry and also the CTTT. Our hearing is on the 12th July. I will let everyone know how we get on. Also it would probably be a good idea if we contacted the media on this, anyone wishing to do so let me know.
ANASTASIA ANDREWS
- WHIAN WHIAN, NSW - AUS
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MAZDA BRAVO 2003 RE: STAY AWAY FROM MAZDA BRAVO AND ALBANY WORLD OF CARS 4/06/2007
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Don't be too hard on your dealer, it is not their fault. It is becoming quite common now that these motors suffer cylinder head issues. The biggest problem is that the cooling system is barely adequate for the load induced by a Turbo Diesel; therefore as time goes on ANY problems associated with the cooling system are dramatic. i.e.: blockage in radiator, bugs and grass in condenser, even obstructions to airflow such as fitment of bull bars and bug screens.
The engines are old technology with this inherent issue, so you have to be reasonable and expect that your dealer is not going to fork out their own money for a 245k vehicle. Bear in mind that the drive train has 245k wear on it, so gearbox and diff issues may arise, so you have to weigh up the advantages of upgrading the cooling system on top of the repairs (don't even try to repair the head; Replace only) versus upgrading to the newer 3.0L common rail BT50/Ranger.
Speak to some cylinder head repairers and they will advise that a new head is the only way, as too many of them have been caught after repairing them only to have them come back. I know how frustrated you are, so I hope this helps. Cheers; David.
DAVID J
- MOUNT BARKER, SA - AUS
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HOLDEN ASTRA OLYMPIC EDITION 2000 VARIOUS ASTRA PROBLEMS 1/06/2007
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It's sad to read of so many problems, but some are an easy fix and our car has been very good apart from relatively minor details.
1. Brakes. The factory pads are horrible, front and rear. Replace yours ASAP with Bendix "advance" compound and you'll be laughing - good braking, about 1/10th as much black dust, and rotor wear virtually stops.
Originally, I would have had to replace rotors at the same time as pads if I'd left them as rotors were wearing badly - but now with Bendix pads the rotors have effectively stopped wearing. Beautiful! Do this ASAP, you won't regret it. Why do they fit such horrible pads from the factory?
2. Airconditioner. Common known problem - the A/C clutch stops working, and Holden say to fit a new compressor, approx $1,000. At 49,000klms the A/C clutch did that on ours, but by shopping around I got an A/C mob to fix it for $500 including full service / regas etc
3. Ignition switches, common problem - I lubricate ours with graphite lock lube and it has worked perfectly since day one, seven years and counting.
The car in every other respect has been brilliant - we love it. Very safe, superb to drive, superb handling. Love the car! Apart from the above mentioned issues I cannot fault it.
SCOTT KITCHING
- BRISBANE, QLD - AUS
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KIA CARNIVAL 0 ADVICE ON KIA CARNIVAL ENGINE PROBLEMS. 8/05/2007
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The engine is made by Rover and is fitted to several vehicles including MG, one of the Landrover Series and the Kia.
The problem is the cylinder liners do not have enough protrusion and therefore not enough clamping pressure is applied to the head gasket and the cylinder liner. There is a mob in Melbourne that rebuilds the engine and reset the liner height. However it is proven that the problem can reoccur.
If you are the original owner Kia will assist with the repairs. However if you purchased the vehicle second-hand then they are less likely to assist. Firstly you have no contract with Kia as they did not sell you anything. It is not a safety issue so no legal recall can happen. The CTTT (Tribunal) has a statute of limitations of 3 years from the date of sale from Kia so most of the vehicles are well outside this time frame. If you purchased from a used car dealer then you only have 3 months or 5000km warranty. If you purchased privately or from auction you are on your own.
I see lots of families purchase one of these second-hand because they are cheap and then have to repair the engine for as much as they paid for the car. My advice is to sell the bloody thing before you have a problem. There is no cheap repair for these engines and you would be lucky to find a second-hand engine.
There is no good news side to this story only heart ache.
HARRY BELL
- NEWCASTLE, NSW - AUS
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HOLDEN ZAFIRA 2004 ENGINE OIL PROBLEMS 4/05/2007
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I have similar problems with my Zafira as a previous poster. I took my Zafira into Toowoomba Holden for a service. It took 6 days to get a booking and during that time it developed a noise. At the time of booking I asked if I could get a loan car. I was told I could get one for $35.00 per day plus fuel. When I arrived I was told that it would in fact be $38.50 per day plus 22cents per kilometre. (Considerably more than fuel costs)
I made them aware of the fact that the engine had developed a noise since I booked it in for service and asked that that be checked before anything else was done. After 2 phone calls to the dealership I was told that they would like to keep my car overnight as they wanted to check the noise from a cold start. I asked whether this would be covered under warranty and we established that the car was almost 18 months and more than 50,000k's within its warranty period.
I received a phone call the following day to say the bearings have gone in the engine and the repair bill will be in the thousands. The repair would not be under warranty as I was late for the scheduled service.
I went to pick up the car with the intention of challenging that with the Holden warranty service rather than the local agent. When I went in I was presented with a quote for $13,000 to repair the engine and a bill for the service. To make matters worse I also got a bill for the service. After a complaint from me they reduced the account to about $320.00 including the hire car. I still argued that it is silly to spend that sort of money servicing an engine that needs $13000 worth of repairs. They claimed that the service was necessary to diagnose the engine. I'm not sure how changing the battery in my remote and several other things on the list helped the diagnosis. I agreed to pay $100 for the cost of the oil necessary for diagnosis and the hire car.
Bottom line is I have a Zafira with 45,000 k's on the clock with engine bearings gone and needing $13,000 worth of repairs. Even with the service being overdue, how does an engine with 45,000k's on the clock have such serious problems? It has had no warning lights come on and has not been without oil or water.
GERALDINE KAMPEN
- TOOWOOMBA, QLD - AUS
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NISSAN PATROL 2005 RE: DOES 45K, WEARS OUT A CLUTCH - NISSAN DO NOT HONOUR THEIR PRODUCT 27/04/2007
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RE: NISSAN PATROL STI 2005: DOES 45K, WEARS OUT A CLUTCH - NISSAN DO NOT HONOUR THEIR PRODUCT
I have been a mechanic for 12 years @ Holden & Mazda dealerships. I will agree with you that (as customer) would expect that you should get a longer life out of a clutch then 45,000km. I would expect between 70,000 - 100,000kms out of a clutch on a big 4WD. But I will admit that I have only worked on a couple of Patrols (worked on heaps of Jackeroo's, Rodeos, Bravo's & Tribute's) so I don't have a great deal of experience with Nissans. So I am not 100% sure how long Patrol clutch's normally last, but to fail at around 45,000kms I wouldn't be happy as a customer.
Having worked at dealerships and having done too many clutches to remember I know from experience that if the clutch looks like it has failed due to customer abuse / driving habits or it has burnt or worn out that the cost of the repair would be referred back to the customer. Reason being because if the clutch was covered under warranty and then sent back to the car manufacture for further inspection to make sure that clutch warranty claim is a legitimate claim (e.g. - Holden). Holden head office would get back to the dealer after having looked at the parts and would refer the cost of the parts and labour back to the dealer if Holden head office felt the reason for the component failure was due to the customers driving habits or wear and tear.
I hope you can see from my post as to why the dealer won't accept responsibility for a clutch repair until they have the customer's authorization to remove the gearbox so they can inspect the clutch assembly and make a diagnosis on what has caused the component to failure. On most cases (at the 2 dealerships I worked at) when the clutch has failed for whatever reason and the customer would like to have the repair covered under warranty, the service manager and workshop foreman and will have the final say if the repair will be covered or not. Because if the dealership does try and make a warranty claim for the total costs of the repair and then 3 weeks later head office comes back to the dealership after looking at the component failure and say they are not going to cover the repair under warranty, then the dealership has to pay for the entire repair.
The main clutch failures that I have seen (other from customer abuse, driving habits and being worn or burnt out) is the pressure plate fingers failing. Which I have seen many times on the Holden Commodores with the gen 3 engine with the manual transmission, and at the dealership I worked at I can't remember a single time that this repair wasn't covered under the manufactures warranty.
But I will have to pull you up on some comments you have made which are incorrect. Doing a clutch job on any big 4WD is not an easy job; don't think for 1 minute that every dealership has the correct tools for gearbox repairs. I remember when I was doing clutches on Jackeroos/Rodeos/Suburbans we didn't have a good stand to hold the g/box with, when we where ready to take the g/box out on the big 4WD there would be about 4 people assisting in removing and refitting the g/box (and this goes for a lot of dealerships, because a lot of my friends are also mechanics at different dealerships). Dealerships don't like spending money on workshop tools unless it is absolutely necessary.
Also when doing a clutch job you would have to be crazy not to machine the flywheel (unless it is a non-machine able flywheel) and on most occasions yes you can tell what has caused the clutch to fail, drive abuse and wear & tear are very easily seen. If the flywheel is a machine able flywheel and you don't machine the flywheel there is a good possibility that you will end up with clutch shudder and main reason for clutch shudder is because you need to machine the flywheel.
MICK H
- MELBOURNE, VIC - AUS
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RENAULT SCENIC RX4 2002 RE: ANYONE WITH RENAULT SCENIC RX4 GEARBOX PROBLEMS? 26/04/2007
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In response to your problems re: Renault gearbox. We have had exactly the same problem.
A little over 8 months ago, our Renault kept popping out of 5th gear when driving along a highway. We took it straight to the Renault dealership and 8 months later, it is still sitting at the dealership worth absolutely nothing. They initially provided a quote of $3200 to fix the 5th gear (in which I paid almost $200 to receive that indicative quote). I gave the go ahead to get it fixed only to be told once it was up on hoists that it needed a whole new gearbox amongst numerous other things. The costs are excessive, and they have shown absolutely no empathy at all. My last discussion with the dealership was that it would cost me $6000 for a new gear box, labour of $121 per hour and then there would be quite a few extra costs on top of that.
We had another mechanic look at it, and he said the stone guard under the car was missing, and as such internal damage to the motor and gearbox had been caused. I raised this with Renault and they advised the stone guard falling off was common and that this would not cause the problem of the gearbox. They also advised that the gearbox was a common problem. I cannot understand how we did not notice any oil leaking (we parked it on a light colour driveway) and no lights flashed on the dashboard. Apparently the other damage is also quite significant and the external mechanic said that a lot of the issues should have been picked up in a service.
Our car is out of warranty, has just over 100,000 kms and has always been serviced. I just cannot stomach having to pay at least $9000 (that's the current estimate to get it back on the road) when the car is barely 5 years old. The external mechanic recommended we just sell it to the wreckers as it is basically worthless.
Surely there is something we can do? To be told by Renault that this is common is just not good enough. We bought the car on the proviso it would be a reliable family car and it's anything but. The mechanic told us we are lucky we were not killed. This all happened after we sent it in last year for a recalled part to be fitted. I can't help but that triggered everything to go wrong, but of course the service department of the dealership will not accept any responsibility.
I am at my wits end as I have 3 children and just cannot afford to get this car fixed. I would be interested in hearing any possible solutions to this as the car is worthless to me at the moment and considering we paid $32,000 five years ago, surely the manufacturer should accept some liability?
ANNEKE WILSON
- BRISBANE, QLD - AUS
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HOLDEN ASTRA CITY 2000 NOTHING BUT A LEMON 3/02/2007
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I purchased a brand new Astra City in 2000, everything was fine except the airbag light kept on lighting up. I took it back to Holden and they did something to the computer system and tripped it in so they said. The vehicle was still under warranty at this stage.
After the warranty ran out the light came on again, so I took it back to Holden and they informed me that there is a problem with the tension in the seat belts and the airbags are faulty and it would cost over $500 to fix. I said no way as I have never had an accident they should not be faulty. After complaining to head office they agreed to fix the problem only at a cost of $50 to me, so I agreed.
Then awhile later the timing belt went and as I see I shouldn't of just accepted it as the car had only done 80,000kms, but I paid $1000 to have this fixed. Now the engine light has appeared and I have just had to pay another $1000 to have a new computer system installed. At this time I suggested it may be fuel injector valves as advised by another mechanic - definitely not Holden advised.
Now my car is still having the same problem, I phoned the dealership up and they now say it has something to do with two valves not the fuel injectors valves. They now want over $500. I have phoned their head office as I have a file there. I am still waiting to hear from them.
I feel that this year of vehicle has had a fault with it from the start. They don't want to recall or admit to any fault. I will never buy a Holden or suggest to anyone that they are a worthy car.
F CARMICHAEL
- SUNBURY, VIC - AUS
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HOLDEN CRUZE 2005 POOR QUALITY / BUILD / SERVICE HOLDEN **** 1/02/2007
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In May of 2006 I bought a 2004 Holden Cruze. The vehicle wasn't actually registered until 2005 and was bought from a Ford dealer in NSW. When taking purchase of the vehicle the car only had 5000k's on it, so everyone thought that it was going to be a good buy.
Since that wonderful day of picking it up, I have had nothing but trouble. Problems such as:
- having no speedo, no odometer, no a/c, - passenger airbag deployed by itself when I had to hit the brakes hard, - seat belt pretensioners has gone off whilst driving and - ABS & Traction Control doesn't work on a good day, - windows wont work, - fan belt broken 3 times in 3 months, - cracked alloy wheel (which I had to pay for as it was classed as wear and tear), - window tint peeling off, - central locking - vehicle wont unlock, then wont lock, has dead locked me inside the vehicle whilst have been starting it, bonnet wont release.
With the reputation of dealers and warranty claims in my mind I thought that this would cost me a small fortune. Now living in Brisbane there are several dealerships that offered me different services. Most said would replace, one said would only cover half the cost as it could come under wear and tear? What I don't understand is that what part of an airbag going off (without being in an accident), is part of wear and tear? And the computer going as well?
Also I had the problem of getting a flat tyre in the middle of whoop whoop with no jack. Having the car being covered under Holden Warranty as well as 3 month 2nd hand warranty no one wanted to replace the jack and the wheel brace. The Ford dealer said to go to Supercheap Auto as they maybe cheap and easy to get. Holden said I wasn't the original purchaser so nothing that they can do.
Being a gay male I knew that I was getting the run around. Thank GOD for dad, after chasing them up everyday to see where the jack was Ford came through with the jack, to then have it lost in the freight coming to Brisbane. I have just given up. Until one day it arrived via courier unannounced.
This is the first car that I have bought brand new and it sucks that we put all this money into buying these hunks of **** and then they don't work and then the dealers won't have a bone of it ...Holden NEVER AGAIN!
Has anyone heard of such drama with a vehicle?
S RYDER
- BRISBANE, QLD - AUS
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NISSAN PATHFINDER 2000 GEARBOX PROBLEMS 24/01/2007
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I bought this vehicle in July 2000 after doing a lot of research into mid range 4wd's. The Nissan seemed to be the car for us. I was even told by a BMW Australia mechanic that the Pathfinder had one of the best gearboxes in the world. HA HA HA.
After various small issues the big issue presented itself at 97,000kms (Still under warranty). The gearbox ate itself. The local dealer was in the dark, no idea what had happened. Every one's attitude was that Nissans didn't do this sort of thing. The automatic specialist that the dealer sent the box to had never heard of the problem let alone pulled one of theses boxes out.
Nissan imported a box and replaced the dead one (after arguing that they would only repair not replace) & 7 to 8 weeks off the road.
At 102,000 kms the torque converter packed up. After much snarling and begging on the phone to Nissan Australia the converter was replaced. No problems until Monday 22/01/07. Yes the vehicle has about 250,000kms on it but the second box has just done exactly the same thing and the torque converter looks to be following. Total quoted cost of replacement $7,500 excluding labour.
The vehicle does not do hard work, has never towed anything heavier than a box trailer with rubbish in it & spends probably less than 1% of its travel time in 4wd mode, hardly if ever in low range. Never wound up the diff. Always serviced. Apart from the near $40,000 purchase cost, this thing will end up costing us over $50,000 in total for a car that is now worth about $16,000 maybe.
I had a 1980 Commodore with 825,000ks on the clock and it never ever ever gave me any trouble.
J CRAWLEY
- BUNDANOON, NSW - AUS
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TOYOTA STARLET 1998 GOOD NEWS - GO STARLETS 11/10/2006
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I am the 2nd owner of Scarlet the Starlet, and she has given me NO PROBLEMS AT ALL WHAT-SO-EVER. She runs smoothly, she goes hard, and is gorgeous on fuel economy. I suspect her good looks and awesome mechanics are thanks to Toyota's good rep.
I will need to sell her to a good home soon because I need more space now, but we have had a wonderful relationship thus far and I am wholeheartedly dreading the day we shall have to part ways. Go Starlets!
ALICIA LEE LONG
- BRISBANE, QLD - AUS
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