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FORD FALCON XR6 BA UTE 2003: FORD SHOULD HELP - HAVE YOU HAD THIS PROBLEM *FEEDBACK WANTED* |
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I purchased my BA XR6 ute last November and it had 35000 kms on it and started a whining noise from the diff at around 40000kms. Ford will not help even though it has low kms and it’s a common problem. It is out of warranty but being a common prob you would think they would come to the party in some kinda way! |
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| POSTED BY: TRACEY BARNES - TUGGERANONG, ACT - AUS, 31/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== REPLY ========== Tracy, I've been through a similar experience with a Ford ZTEC. Brand new from the first week the problem started. My problem being much more serious than a faulty Diff. My Ford Zetec would lose all power to the drive train at anytime, without warning. The final straw was when my wife and 18 month old child nearly got killed going round a roundabout and a Semi coming on at a fair speed clipped the back of the ZTEC because the ZTEC decided to do its thing at that moment and lose power. A very lucky escape that still haunts me. From day one of me reporting this problem I got the same as you, with your diff, and my car was in warranty. The local dealer would not take responsibility for it as it was a Ford headquarters problem. Ford headquarters didn’t have any 'authority ' over the Ford dealer to make him fix it or replace the car and so on back and forth for eight months going nowhere. I emailed everyone from QLD Main Roads, QLD AAAC to anyone at Ford including the owner of the local dealer. Who indecently rang me up and abused me for complaining. Its humors now but it wasn’t at the time. Over an eight month period the car had just on 2000km and most done by the Ford Technicians (I use the word technicians loosely). After the round about incident I went to the nearest Holden Dealer and bought a Commodore. Lessons learned, while it pains me to say this. Tracy, don’t waste your peaceful energy on a silly Diff, it could cost you more in the end then going to Toyota or Holden for the peace of mind of knowing it won't stop on a roundabout. The pity is that Ford and the QLD government departments don't get this. They pretend to by showing horrible ads about you and me and how we drive, but don’t show the dealers and government departments care factor playing a part in deaths on the road. POSTED BY: MEMPHIS - GOLD COAST, QLD 8/8/2007 ========== REPLY ========== Hi Tracey, I am in the middle of a fight with Ford with the same problem with my diff. Exactly the same treatment by Ford. I have been to 2 independent specialists who say the diff is crook but Ford says they will not accept a report from an "independent" saying I have to go to a Ford dealer. Been there 6 times only to be told I'm hearing things. Been told by someone in the know that Ford is the worst car manufacturer in Australia when it comes to customer service. Know how you feel! POSTED BY: IAN WATT - DENILIQUIN, NSW 11/6/2008 |
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MAZDA 2 MAXX 0: MAZDA 2 MAXX DRIVER'S SEAT PROBLEM *FEEDBACK WANTED* |
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I wonder if anyone has had a problem with a Mazda 2 Maxx driver's seat? |
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| POSTED BY: MARGARET GRAVES - SYDNEY, NSW - AUS, 31/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== REPLY ========== Hi, just letting you know that if you’re worried about your seat take it to a marine / auto re-upholsterer. Ask them for advice only because they’re not a dealership. They will be honest with you. POSTED BY: TONY NICKLASON - LOGAN CENTRAL, QLD 1/8/2007 ========== REPLY ========== Hi I'm a vehicle inspector from Sydney. You have already notified Mazda that’s good. I can tell you go and visit a motor trimmer ASAP get them to check it and write you a report. POSTED BY: ALEX - SYDNEY, NSW 30/3/2008 |
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FORD F250 2006: TOLD ME I NEEDED A $7,000 FUEL INJECTION PUMP *COMPLAINT* |
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I visited a western Sydney Ford dealership recently for a fitting on the side of my fuel injection pump. After a long period of time and several diagrams later I was told by an older looking person that I needed to buy a new fuel injection pump when all I needed was a fitting. Not sure what he was on about but I noticed 3 empty Tooheys new longnecks in the bin in full view of the counter at 10am in the morning. He recommended I go aftermarket to a diesel specialist. |
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| POSTED BY: PETER SPIDER - SHALVEY, NSW - AUS, 31/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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NISSAN PATROL GU2 2001: VIBRATING THROTTLE CABLE AND PEDAL *FEEDBACK WANTED* |
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We have a 2001 Nissan Patrol 4.2 turbo diesel. |
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| POSTED BY: TOM BAMMANT - DARWIN, NT - AUS, 31/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== REPLY ========== If you have the 4.5 litre then this is no real problem. It is just that the cable is connected straight to the top of the engine block so you feel the full force of the engine through your right foot. POSTED BY: EDWARD - SWANSE, UK 26/5/2008 |
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NISSAN PATROL GU 2007: AFTERMARKET SNORKEL FITTED & TURBO VAC HOSES NOT FITTED CORRECTLY *COMPLAINT* |
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Recently purchased new GU Nissan Wagon 3.0 lt. Had aftermarket snorkel fitted by ARB while car was under control of dealership i.e. aftermarket material fitted ready to go for me to pick up. Dealer went through check list to say vehicle passed there test before handing me the keys. |
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| POSTED BY: SCOTT TASS - WEIPA, QLD - AUS, 31/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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NISSAN NAVARA STR UTE 2005: STOP HARD COVER LEAKING. *ADVICE* |
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I have no water leaks from my hard cover by fitting special rubber seals. Phone 0432544418 for details. |
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| POSTED BY: PETER TULP - GOLD COAST, QLD - AUS, 31/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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HOLDEN ASTRA CD 2000: TOO COSTLY *COMPLAINT* |
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I am wondering why I hold onto to a car that is worth a little over $10,000 but has cost me that in repairs in the past year or two. |
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| POSTED BY: DAN SMITH - MELBOURNE, NSW - AUS, 30/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== REPLY ========== Hi there, was just wondering what your aircon problem seemed to be? Mine has been repaired four times now! I have had a gutful of lies and being stuffed around as you would know. Just curious is all ... hope to hear from you. POSTED BY: LORISCHA AGNEW - NOWRA, NSW 2/8/2007 ========== REPLY ========== I too look like having to replace the air con etc etc on a 2002 vehicle. This after both rear window winder assemblies, engine mounts... you name it. Unbelievable. POSTED BY: ANDREW W - ADELAIDE, SA 29/8/2007 |
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RENAULT MEGANE EXPRESSION 2001: RENAULT MEGANE COUPE WHAT A NIGHTMARE *COMPLAINT* |
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Purchased brand new in 2003 (Tynan Sutherland) sold me a 2001 model which I didn't realise until I went to trade the lemon in (paid $52K). I had told them it had to be the same year as I purchased it, but found out it was a 2001 model. Tynan are a disgrace as a dealership. |
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| POSTED BY: JOHANNA MCMILLAN - SYDNEY, NSW - AUS, 30/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== REPLY ========== I hear you mate. I too have a 2001/02 Megane conv. It is ok but all the little things have stuffed up at some point. Now I have a real problem. I park my car in 1st just out of habit, and guess what, I can’t move my gears at all, and I had to drive home at 15 km p/h. I can’t move the gear stick at all and as a result can’t go anywhere. Same as you mate I paid a fortune for an imported French car, and what for, nothing but trouble, only done 75km what a joke. You would be better to park the car outside the dealership, with a sign saying ‘cost $52 k, and they will now give me $8k, as a trade in’, that will stuff em. Good luck mate we will both need it. Jas POSTED BY: JASON - PERTH, WA - AUS 9 SEP 2007 ========== REPLY ========== My parents purchased a 2002 Renault Laguna Privlege wagon (38,000kms) from Sci fleet Toyota in 2005, (previously sold by Windsor Renault). Ever since we have owned the car we have had nothing but problems with it. We have spent thousands of dollars on the car and it still doesn’t seem to be running the way it should be. The car now with 82,000kms on the clock has been found to have a major oil leak, other problems with the engine, not to mention other problems with regards to the ignition, gear box etc. The car does not run well, it sometimes has black smoke coming out of the bonnet and the exhaust pipe and it is just basically a complete lemon. When we have previously gone to Renault (Windsor, QLD) to get the car repaired, we have had nothing but bad customer service (not all staff) and basically no help. I went to Renault today to talk to the people about getting the problem resolved and whilst I was talking to a staff member about how terrible the car has been he said to me "Don't come in here and carry on about you're car!" Quite frankly I was appalled at this statement but continued to talk the man whilst he was still talking down to me. I wasn't there to start an argument, I was there to get answers and I didn't. A car of this age, with this amount of kilometers on it, should not be having the problems that it is having. This Renault Laguna is a faulty product. Coils have been replaced over 5 times, smoke coming out of the engine, car now has major oil leaks and needs engine mounts replaced... Again! Renaults are the worst cars on the planet! We were offered 7k for the car... Do you still have your car? POSTED BY: BRENDAN - BRISBANE, QLD - AUS 28 MAR 2009 |
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LANDROVER FREELANDER K 1998: ENGINE, IRD AND OTHER ASSOCIATED ISSUES *COMPLAINT* |
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My wife and I were informed that the Landrover was a great small family car, inexpensive to run but with the small inclusions that usually make life easy. We bought the car from a prestige auto yard with low kilometers for $15000. |
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| POSTED BY: ANTHONY WELLS - MORUYA HEADS, NSW - AUS, 30/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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KIA CARNIVAL 2000: LETS BAND TOGETHER AND FORM A CLASS ACTION *FEEDBACK WANTED* |
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My story is already on the web called 'what a disaster nobody will help' dated 13/10/2006. I would like to form a class action against Kia but I need other people to join me. Please email me or phone me on 03 54503909 or my mobile 0438097653. |
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| POSTED BY: CARMEL WHELAN - KERANG, VIC - AUS, 30/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== ORIGINAL POSTING ========== "KIA CARNIVAL, 2001 - What a Disaster Nobody will Help - On the 11th January my daughter and son in law purchased a Kia Carnival 2000 (plated first registered 2001) from Ken Morgan Kia with 48166k's on the clock for $23990. Also they purchased an 'extension to manufacturers warranty' which cost another $1,300 through the Fortram Insurance Group Mechanical Repair Agreement Co. On the 2nd August this year with only 55643km (a total of 7477k's since purchase) they were driving with their 4 children when the car started over revving. After pulling up RACV were called. The car had to be put on a trailer and taken 300 k's to a Kia dealer the next day. After they checked it out the result is it has to have a new motor. Apparently the second one in the car which we only found out after all this happened. This time according to the garage the engine overheated, head gasket blown, very low compression in front three cylinders, sleeves have dislodged. Kia won't cover this, the extended warranty won't cover this, nobody wants to know anything about them. In a phone conversation with Kia one of their personnel told me but would not put it writing - "it was an invasion of the motors privacy to discuss this with us." Where can we go now for help. The car travelled only 7477k's. I thought that motor vehicles would last longer than 55,643km and already gone through 2 motors. The quote for the new motor is $11,003. I would be interested to hear from other disgruntled Kia owners as I believe that it is time the little people stood up to the multi national companies." POSTED BY: C WHELAN - KERANG, VIC 13/10/2006 ========== REPLY ========== It appears that Kia Rio's have engine problems too. I have just posted at this site our story of the experiences we are presently facing with Kia and their engines. Please have a read and let me know how you daughter and son in law went with their vehicle, as I notice the date is now 10 months ago. POSTED BY: KEN CARCAS - KOONAWARRA, NSW 19/8/2007 ========== REPLY ========== Dear Carmel, We have had the same disastrous experience as everybody else with our Kia Carnival - the Carnival is definitely over as the song goes. We would like to join in a class action against Kia - let us know what we need to do. POSTED BY: MARK GUSMAN - SUNBURY, VIC 31/8/2007 |
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FORD FOCUS 2003: RE: DISCOVERED WHY FORD DOESNT HAVE A CUSTOMER SERVICE CENTRE *REPLY* |
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I would be interested in joining your group of dissatisfied Focus owners. CL 2002 Sedan with 68900km however, past experiences with a Festiva with 19 warranty defects has proven to me that Ford don't give a care about their product or customers. The problems you have experienced are similar to mine. |
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| POSTED BY: PETER DALEY - BRISBANE, QLD - AUS, 29/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== ORIGINAL POSTING ========== "I am, unfortunately, the owner of a 2003 Ford Focus LX. They are lovely cars to drive BUT - whilst under warranty the roof lining started coming away (supposedly not covered by warranty), back seat was not bolted properly (repair not recorded), some sort of work done on the chassis (wasn't informed of this), fuel gauge died, left driver's side headlight kept blowing. Out of warranty - water pump blew up (Ford refused to pay even part of it), 7 days for the part to arrive. Was in another town 50k away and there is no public transport between the two towns and no courtesy car was offered. Rearview mirror - part arrived a week later. As it's illegal to drive a car without a rearview mirror I was off the road again - pity I was interstate on holidays. Driver's side window seized. The dealer on the Sunshine Coast refused to contact the dealer in the next town I was going to get it fixed so I stood in front of him and rang that dealer. That dealer refused to order the part until he saw if for himself. So I rang the dealer at home - had problems with no communication there too. Nearly 3 weeks later it MAY be fixed. I contacted the CRC (read Corporate Relationship Centre). What a saga! Call was not returned so I rang a week later. Got hung up on because I said Ford customer service was ****. If they were happy to give me another 4 letter word that would not offend them then I'd be happy to use it! Ford has offered to pay 25% of the cost of the window repair, which leads me to wonder why they were not prepared to pay a cent towards the water pump over 20,000k earlier! Seems Ford is not interested in doing enough to keep customers coming back. This is my 3rd and definitely last Ford. I find their CRC staff to be arrogant, unhelpful, disinterested, bored and cold. Anyone interested in being part of a group of dissatisfied customers so we can gather a list of complaints? Seems there are a few common problems." POSTED BY: CECILIA C - TAREE, NSW 1/05/2007 ========== REPLY ========== Hey I'll second that. Fords don't care, I'll be on your complainers list lol just email me anytime I'd be happy to respond to your letter of dissatisfied customers. I hope you get the **** sorted with your car. POSTED BY: DIANA YATES - HILLCREST, QLD 11/6/2007 |
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NISSAN MURANO 2007: MURANO *GOOD NEWS* |
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I recently purchased a Nissan Murano. I shopped it to death. In the end, I ended up buying the vehicle from City Nissan. The guys there were great and I didn't feel like I needed to get my lawyer to review the fine print before I signed. The car was ready on time, with all the accessories fitted, and it is fantastic. My wife loves it. They took care of my trade in for me without a drama, and I can't believe how smooth it all went. |
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| POSTED BY: JAMES TAYLOR - MELBOURNE, VIC - AUS, 29/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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HOLDEN CRUZE 2005: VON BIBRA HOLDEN ROBINA WILL NOT HONOUR THEIR WARRANTY. *FEEDBACK WANTED* |
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I bought this vehicle brand new from Holden Robina. I had it serviced there twice, I started getting it serviced at another registered mechanic, and the price was more competitive. I took the vehicle back to Holden to have them inspect the gear box as my new mechanic had instructed. They inspected it in January at approx 95,000km, said they would have to place an order for a replacement transmission, it may take 6-8 weeks but they'd call when it came in to organize the repair under warranty. |
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| POSTED BY: SHANE RODGERS - GOLD COAST, QLD - AUS, 29/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== REPLY ========== Shane don’t get mad, get even. Call the dealer principal and tell him your tale. If they refuse to do anything, tell him that you are going to park your vehicle outside the dealership on Saturday (their busy day) with signs stuck to the car telling people coming in the dealership of your experience. Stick the signs on the inside of your windows so that nobody can pull them off. Contact the local TV stations and tell them what you are going to do. I'm sure they Von Bibra will not want the bad publicity and come to the party very quickly and repair your vehicle. You don’t have to have a new car serviced at a dealer to retain your warranty; however, a second hand car is different as the dealer offers the warranty, not the manufacturer, once the manufacturers warranty is finished. Stick at it and don’t get pushed around, Mark. POSTED BY: MARK KURAN - MELBOURNE, VIC 4/08/2007 ========== REPLY ========== Shane, I had a very similar experience with Zupps Browns Plains in regards to my Holden Cruze. Being under new car warranty, I was of the impression that I could get my car serviced at any certified Holden dealer (which I did having one closer to work than Zupps). From day dot I had hassles, particularly with the gearbox. For 24 months and with every subsequent service I told them about the problems with the gearbox. Eventually, on my way to work one morning my gearbox died. I found out the internal shaft was completely wrecked (it has actually twisted) internal on the bearings and apparently it was my fault for 'driving the car too hard' and they wanted to charge me $5000 to have it repaired (that was a minimum $2k Dearer than anywhere else I got quotes from) I did a royal dummy spit and it eventually worked. So I definitely feel your pain! I think bottom line is, that the Cruze is a painful model and Holden simply don’t want to cough up for the warranties caused by it (hence it being no longer made). Thanks said, do a dummy spit. Threaten legal action; threaten bad publicity, it’s amazing what those two things can accomplish. Good luck! POSTED BY: KELLY - BRISBANE, QLD 30/08/2007 |
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NISSAN PATROL GU3 2003: DASH BOARD CLUSTER *COMPLAINT* |
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Fuel gauge would only read from full to half then run out just under half. |
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| POSTED BY: SCOTT EARL - HALLAM, VIC - AUS, 28/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== REPLY ========== Scott, try getting the instrument cluster to an instrument fitter in your area. They maybe able fix the fault without replacing the whole cluster. POSTED BY: DOS - PERTH, WA 11/8/2007 |
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HOLDEN BARINA 1997: SNOW MODE WONT TURN OFF *FEEDBACK WANTED* |
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I have a second hand 1997 1.2 Barina City - and the Snow Mode is automatically turned on every morning when I start it up ... therefore the car is stuck in 'third' gear. The only way it turns off is if I drive around for 10 mins or so and turn the car off - and then on again. |
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| POSTED BY: JOANNE THIES - BRISBANE, QLD - AUS, 28/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== REPLY ========== Hi, I just bought a 97 Barina tonight and was trying to find out what the snow button is next to the gears (it's an auto) and I think this is what you are talking about? What is it actually meant to do? Cheers, Tamara POSTED BY: TAMAHRA - SYDNEY, NSW 31/7/2007 ========== REPLY ========== Hi, when you mean snow mode do you mean an orange light that says ‘S’ with what looks to be like a snow drop/flake around it. If so it’s called sport mode - kind of like over drive or sports shift. That will hold it in what seems like third gear, there should be a button to turn it off. Hope this helps you. POSTED BY: MARK - LOCATION NOT SUPPLIED 1/10/2007 ========== REPLY ========== If your Barina is a European model, snow mode is meant to be used when the roads are icy, it makes your car take off in 1st gear to avoid skidding. POSTED BY: NAOMI - MELBOURNE, VIC 12/11/2007 ========== REPLY ========== Probably seen this one a bit late - but I have just bought a 1994 Barina which is the European model and has the 'snow' mode. Its auto too. I was 'warned' by the dealer not to ever drive it when it’s in snow mode as it will ruin the engine. I guess this means you have to warm the car up for about 5mins or so of a morning until the light switches off. I tried to take off one morn after only warming it for about a min or so - and it went straight into snow mode and I was stuck in the middle of the road until I got it into 2nd gear and could pull up on the side of the road and let it warm up some more! Teaching me patience that’s for sure - but once it is full warmed up - runs perfectly OK! POSTED BY: MEAGAN - SYDNEY, NSW 21/4/2008 |
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VOLKSWAGEN GOLF 2007: RE: GOLF 2007: BULB FAULT LIGHT IN TACHO CLUSTER *REPLY* |
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Dear Darren, |
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| POSTED BY: GEOFF - BUNBURY, WA - AUS, 28/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== ORIGINAL POSTING ========== "VOLKSWAGEN GOLF 2.0 TDI COMFORTLINE 2007: BULB FAULT LIGHT IN TACHO CLUSTER - As soon as I connect the trailer lights to the car via the adaptor (a device not used on any of my previous cars!) a light signifying there is a bulb fault comes on. There isn't, they all work as they should, and have done so for some time on my previous car. I emailed Austral Volkswagen and when the bloke rang me the next day, he mentioned they have had issues with non-genuine tow bars. I said mine is genuine, it came with the car, having ordered it as part of the deal through the Union Shopper. Basically, he didn't want to know about it, take it back to the dealer through which it was delivered (Gold Coast Volkswagen). Kept referring to the tow bar maybe not being genuine. Left me scratching my head, as when I submitted my request on the net, I put the rego number in one of the panels. This should have prompted a search on their part, which by rights should have revealed everything about my car, including the fact I have a genuine tow bar and wiring. Anyway, the visit to Gold Coast Volkswagen was basically a waste of time. Their take was to make sure all the bulbs and connections are soldered properly - absolute rubbish, if they had bothered to open their eyes they would see this would not be possible, nor necessary. Said would be in touch with head office, and get back to me with a possible solution and/or further advice. In the meantime, some research on the net tends to indicate this is due to some sort of design fault because of Euro style electrical systems. I suppose I shouldn't jump to conclusions just yet, but I am beginning to think I am simply being brushed off by the dealers. The service advisor when I left Gold Coast Volkswagen reckons I could still use the trailer, just that I'd have this damn light shining. Dad reckons no way (well, I dare not reprint what he really said!), there's no way of knowing whether I'd cause a major computer drama down the track and stuff my warranty. Has anyone heard of this problem or experienced it themselves? I am basically gathering as much info as I can, before deciding whether the dealer and head office need to get the appropriate letters ..." POSTED BY: DARREN WALKER - BRISBANE, QLD 21/07/2007 ========== REPLY ========== I think that you need to confirm that you have the genuine item fitted to your car. Not so much the actual tow bar but the wiring plug and loom and then if it is the genuine item, you'll need to have it checked that it has been wired correctly. Modern cars that have globe failure warning systems are very sensitive to additional wiring and having the correct globes, type and wattage. The problem could be your trailer too. If you can check it on another trailer, that would rule that problem out. Also speak to local (Australian) tow bar manufacturers such as Hayman Reece and see if they have had any problems with your type of car. Good Luck, Mark. POSTED BY: MARK KURAN - MELBOURNE, VIC 21/7/2007 |
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FORD FALCON XR6 AU III 2002: WATER LEAK AND BRAKE SHUDDER *FEEDBACK WANTED* |
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XR6 Manual that I love. Has developed a leak into the driver’s side. After heavy rain water can be felt dripping on my feet! Dealer says can't find anything! Help Please. Don't want to spend big $ looking for the problem if it is a common problem! |
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| POSTED BY: CHRIS YOUNG - DEVONPORT, TAS - AUS, 27/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== REPLY ========== Hi Chris. I suggest you check for a possible leaking windscreen. If you remove the right side "A" pillar trim you can get a good look at the sealing surface near the screen. Sometimes this can be proven with the use of a garden hose. Also have a close look at the firewall for a dislodged sealing grommet. Prolonged exposure to water in this area can lead to electrical problems if water enters the connectors at the RH kick panel (central locking cycling, etc). PS. There are few cars around that have not needed a brake machine at some stage. Just some are a bit more sensitive. POSTED BY: L DAVIS - BOMADERRY, NSW 28/7/2007 ========== REPLY ========== Hi Chris, I have a XR6 ute and had the same problem. Remove the driver’s side scuttle panel, and look in deep at where the brake ass box is Spotted to the body. No doubt you should see that the spotwelds have slightly come away from the body. As it is not a good place to weld, I placed silastic over each spotweld and have no water leak inside since. POSTED BY: PAT AHERNE - HOBART , TAS 3/8/2007 |
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NISSAN PATROL 2000: CLUTCH RESPONSE *REPLY* |
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Dear Patrol fanboy, (aka Nissan Patrol 4 Ever) |
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| POSTED BY: PHIL CHRISTIE - ADELAIDE, SA - AUS, 27/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== ORIGINAL POSTING ========== "NISSAN PATROL 2002: RE:DOES 45K, WEARS OUT A CLUTCH - NISSAN DO NOT HONOUR THEIR PRODUCT - I just love guys who pretend they actually know what they are talking about posting unfound and utter **** on websites. If you are such all so intellectually and mechanically minded people why don't you fix the problems yourselves and engineer a clutch system that never wears out. I have been in the industry for almost 18 years and have never, ever had a customer admit that it has been their driving skills that wear out clutches. If you are so adamant maybe you should take it to court and maybe if Nissan had some balls they should take you to court for unfound and defamation. Is everyone telling the truth? If you had a faulty clutch would it last 45K in the first place. Are you replacing the clutch with a genuine unit or are you using non-genuine? It might seem that the complete truth has been exaggerated, especially if we know that $1400.00 seems way too cheap for a genuine kit. Correct in saying that not all dealerships have all the tools to carry out repairs but as a business why would you spend thousand of dollars investing in tools if you will only need to at best of times use them a handful of times ... Brain surgeons everywhere ... People stop your whinging and whining. If you do not accept a professionals and manufacturers decisions take it further. Patrols are a magnificent 4wd. Best thing you people can do is sell it and buy another 4wd. Nissan Patrol 4 Ever" POSTED BY: SHANE ASIF - NEWPORT, VIC 30/4/2007 ========== REPLY ========== Get your fact correct Phil Christie, X Trails don’t have a clutch cable, they are Hydraulic ... POSTED BY: ANDREW - SYDNEY, NSW 29/7/2007 ========== REPLY ========== Fox Mulder, On this occasion I agree with Patrol 4 ever. The amount of times I have had 4WD's towed into my workshop with clutch failures with what I would consider as low km's is too numerous to believe. In the majority of cases it is driver lack of ability & knowledge of how to operate there vehicle off road. Because of their lack of knowledge they tend to bog their vehicle to the axle then try to drive out of the bog incorrectly which in turn burns out the clutch. Unfortunately with these forums you never get both sides of the story with the accurate facts. X-Trails clutches are hydraulically operated & have no cable. Saying that the pedal height/free play can be adjusted which can make a difference. Generally X-Trails with hard clutch pedal effort are close to failure after the pedal adjustment inspected. Please pass on to your friend before they venture off road, particular sand driving, to read & fully understand the All Mode 4wd system on this vehicle. One feature of the system is that it will drop out of 4WD should the operator overheat the transfer case when they are over working the vehicle. e.g. when bogged in sand. When this occurs it will only act as 2wd vehicle until the oil temp drops. I once had an X-Trail towed in with 2000km on the clock. The owner had taken the vehicle up to the sand hill north of Perth to put it through its paces. This was his first 4wd, no prior experience with off road driving or having read his owners manual. Got it bogged & totally destroyed his clutch. Manufacturer warranty are to cover factory workmanship & manufacturing defects not driver lack of knowledge & experience. In this case the Dealer assisted with the costs not Nissan. A Nissan Lover POSTED BY: DOS - PERTH, WA 12/8/2007 |
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SUBARU LIBERTY 2000: RE: BUY A SUBARU AND YOU WONT HAVE PROBLEMS *REPLY* |
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I have to agree with "Good News". |
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| POSTED BY: LAKESH PARAG - BACCHUS MARSH, VIC - AUS, 27/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== ORIGINAL POSTING ========== "SUBARU LIBERTY: BUY A SUBARU AND YOU WON'T HAVE PROBLEMS - People, having read most of the posts on this Forum, I didn't see one complaint about Subaru vehicles. Why would anyone risk their hard earned $$$ on buying an Australian built vehicle, knowing that there is a very good possibility that you'll be buying a lemon, that you'll be stuck with for ever! I have owned two Subaru vehicles (both Liberty's) and have never had one single warranty complaint with either. Not so much as a rattle, squeak, problem - nothing! Now is that just my good luck, or does it say something about quality? I would NEVER buy/own a Ford or Holden. I would not take the risk. Once a major problem happens, Ford/Holden just don't want to know you. I have a friend who paid $45,000 plus for his new Holden SS. He laughed at my new Subaru Liberty (called it "jap ****") when I bought it. Well, guess who has just had a new engine bottom end in his SS Commodore, because it seized after 7,000 klms? I'm the one laughing now. Just my 2 cents" POSTED BY: BOB PIKE - DIAMOND CREEK, VIC 20/12/2006 ========== REPLY ========== My father bought a 2003 Forrester. From the day he bought there was an odd burning smell coming from the engine bay everytime he drove it. It consistently used litres of oil a week and the clutch was replaced 3 times under warranty. Eventually it stopped using oil and the clutch lasted until he sold it about 2 years after buying it. He met a guy that had the same problem with his, around the same time but didn’t hear much else about this issue from anywhere else. That said, I myself have a 1992 Liberty with 240 thou on the clock and hasn’t skipped a beat. My father went and bought a new 2L Liberty not long ago and my sister also owns a 1999 Liberty. Subaru do make a great car, however, there will always be lemons around. It seems that Japanese manufacturers design cars to a budget, other manufacturers design cars and build them to a budget. POSTED BY: BRAD - PERTH, WA 13/8/2007 |
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NISSAN X-TRAIL 2003: RE: DOES 45K, WEARS OUT A CLUTCH - NISSAN DO NOT HONOUR *REPLY* |
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Agree with complaint, I have a 2003 X-trail 72,000 klm non-machineable flywheel the same as pre 2006 Patrol, Navara, and Pathfinder. 2007 models in some of these have gone back to full metal assemblies. Vehicle has not been off road, driven by mid thirties female and not abused, clutch has failed and parts are $1600 with labour to be on top. Will now sell X-trail after lack of assistance from Nissan local dealer and Melbourne Customer relations and will never buy another Nissan. |
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| POSTED BY: ROB MILLS - TOWNSVILLE, QLD - AUS, 27/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== ORIGINAL POSTING ========== "My fiancé and I have had our Nissan Patrol STI 4.2L Diesel since new in July 2005. Have done 44,500K's and have now gone through our first clutch. Both experienced drivers of private and commercial vehicles for over 20 years, we were stunned when Nissan refused to treat the replacement of the clutch as a warranty repair. The genius's at Ryde Motor Group in North Western Sydney made the determination that the rapid wearing of the clutch was due to driver abuse. They issued this report to Nissan who gleefully rejected our claim that we have in fact driven the same way we have driven our last plethora of vehicles to find this is the first time we have EVER had to replace a clutch. Nissan - you are a bunch of ****** Word back from Ryde Motor Group's genius has Nissan stating that the wearing of a clutch at 44,500km is to be expected - standard! Can you believe this? So get ready folks, if you buy a Nissan Patrol, tuck away $2,000 dollars extra for that clutch repair before your engine has even worn itself in. Nissan, YOU ****" POSTED BY: MARCUS ARMSTRONG - SYDNEY, NSW 16/04/2007 ========== REPLY ========== One week before Easter 07 my 4.2 turbo GU Patrol went back to Werribee Nissan because the clutch had a slight shudder. This vehicle has only done 44800 km. They removed the gear box to find the clutch was completely burnt out stating it was driver abuse and it would cost me $1410.00 to replace. After repair was done the gearbox had a bad rattle in neutral so I returned the car to them and they said it could be a bearing in the g/box. By this time the vehicle had 45600 km. They removed the g/box again only to find the pressure plate had failed. Their answer to this was faulty goods this one is free. On inspection of faulty pressure plate the thrust bearing was only touching three quarters of the fingers on plate, still they refuse to warranty the first clutch. I contacted Val Davis from Nissan Australia on 03 97974111 to ask if this was a problem with these vehicles. Her reply was no, never. When I told her about your case she said what you read on these pages is usually all lies so don't give up hope ring her and complain. And my occupation self employed owner driver with 23 years experience. You don't do these things for fun it is too expensive. And yes my ute is still sitting on the hoist at Nissan. It takes them a week & a half to do the job. POSTED BY: KEN COLLIS - TARNEIT, VIC 21/04/2007 ========== REPLY ========== Hi, stop complaining about how long it takes to do a clutch in a Patrol. You try doing it; it is a major job as the box is so heavy. Plus they most likely have sent the flywheel away to get machined, so they have to wait for it to get back. Yes it is unusual for the 4.2 clutch to fail that early. The 3.0L clutch is usually the one to fail at those ks. I am a member of the Patrol forum and I haven't heard of one 4.2L clutch stuffing up at those ks. Once a clutch is out a mechanic can tell if it is driver or mechanical fault, it shows of the clutch plate. It depends on what side the wear is on. So I have had a lot of people that say it's not the way I drive it, it's the car, but you can tell by the clutch plate ... And yes I am a mechanic, was at Nissan as well. And yes I do have an 02 Patrol 3.0L with 140000ks and original clutch, and yes I drive it off road and hard. And the 3.0L's are the one that burn out clutches ... " POSTED BY: ANDREW SYDNEY - SYDNEY, NSW 23/04/2007 ========== REPLY ========== I just love guys who pretend they actually know what they are talking about posting unfound and utter **** on websites. If you are such all so intellectually and mechanically minded people why don't you fix the problems yourselves and engineer a clutch system that never wears out. I have been in the industry for almost 18 years and have never, ever had a customer admit that it has been their driving skills that wear out clutches. If you are so adamant maybe you should take it to court and maybe if Nissan had some balls they should take you to court for unfound and defamation. Is everyone telling the truth? If you had a faulty clutch would it last 45K in the first place. Are you replacing the clutch with a genuine unit or are you using non-genuine? It might seem that the complete truth has been exaggerated, especially if we know that $1400.00 seems way too cheap for a genuine kit. Correct in saying that not all dealerships have all the tools to carry out repairs but as a business why would you spend thousand of dollars investing in tools if you will only need to at best of times use them a handful of times ... Brain surgeons everywhere ... People stop your whinging and whining. If you do not accept a professionals and manufacturers decisions take it further. Patrols are a magnificent 4wd. Best thing you people can do is sell it and buy another 4wd. Nissan Patrol 4 Ever POSTED BY: SHANE ASIF - NEWPORT, VIC 30/04/2007 ========== REPLY ========== I have seen people stuck in sand on he beach revving the **** out of the engine slipping the clutch till there is smoke coming of it. In some cases the clutch is completely destroyed in less then 15 minutes. No it's never their fault. The Patrol has power assist clutch system. This makes the clutch lighter to use. However it also takes away some of the feel from the driver. It is easy to slip the clutch more than normal when starting off and more so up hill. This is often the cause of premature wear on the clutch late. No it's not warranty. POSTED BY: HARRY BELL - NEWCASTLE, NSW 5/6/2007 ========== REPLY ========== To all you Nissan owners out there, email me re your clutch. I am on to my 2nd one. If I can get a few more owners I have a TV program that will do a story. I have a lemon 2007 Navara, they tried there best to get out of it but they replaced it and then said there was a faulty lot and yes it had something to do with the teeth. Go back to Nissan and tell them to change it because you know about the others. Do not pay to have it done. POSTED BY: KIM - PENRITH, NSW 24/10/2007 |
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FORD FOCUS LX 2006: WORST ENGINE DESIGN EVER *FEEDBACK WANTED* |
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I bought a brand new 2006 LX Ford Focus less than twelve months ago. A couple of days ago I was driving in wet weather and went through a puddle (as to be expected in wet weather). The engine shut down and I was towed to the closest Ford dealership. Nothing is under warranty of course and I am looking at 8 thousand dollars for a new motor as the air filter which is located down towards the front passenger wheel managed to suck water all through the engine. |
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| POSTED BY: REBECCA S - MELBOURNE, VIC - AUS, 27/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== REPLY ========== Contact the ACCC. Australian Consumer and Competition Commission. This is clearly a design fault. The vehicle can not be used for its intended purpose (to drive in all weather conditions) and should be repaired by the manufacturer at no cost to you. Ford will try and get out of their responsibilities to repair the car. Stick to your guns and do not pay a cent. Good Luck Mark. POSTED BY: MARK KURAN - MELBOURNE, VIC 28/7/2007 |
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KIA CARNIVAL 2000: AT LAST, MY KIA CARNIVAL IS BACK AFTER 7 MONTHS *COMPLAINT* |
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My previous posting was a complaint about the problems I had with my Kia Carnival. Well, I just got it back last Saturday after 7 months and $5,500 after. |
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| POSTED BY: JUN MACALALAD - ADELAIDE, SA - AUS, 26/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== ORIGINAL POSTING ========== "KIA CARNIVAL 2000: WHEN IS THIS GOING TO END? - I bought this Kia Carnival in Dec 2000 brand new at $42,000. In 2003, the engine was replaced due to a recall and with oil mixing up with water. The week I got it back, I've complaint to the Kia dealer service dept that the car is loosing coolant. They said give it time and just top it up. I've just done that and have been doing it until Dec 2006 when the engine overheated and lost power. ========== REPLY ========== The end of the story is that the gasket has been replaced but the cylinder head (2) need replacing plus the valves and all piston rings. 5 months after, the car is back at the shop as another cylinder blew up -- the piston cracked and hit the cylinder head. When is this going to end?" POSTED BY: JUN MACALALAD - ADELAIDE, SA 14/05/2007 ========== REPLY ========== Did you have injector problems as well? Our just recently blow a piston due to an injector leak that caused the piston to melt and damage to the engine. Our car is a Kia Rio Sports 2004. We are now facing and engine rebuild but are waiting to hear what Kia will do as the warranty has Just run out and the car has only done 48000 kms with very regular servicing. POSTED BY: KEN CARCAS - KOONAWARRA, NSW 19/8/2007 |
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HOLDEN CREWMAN SS 2006: HOLDEN CREWMAN - NOTHING BUT TROUBLE *COMPLAINT* |
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I recently bought my new crewman from Suttons Chullora. After 6 months (approx 30k) my clutch was slipping so bad that I could not pull a simple trailer. The car went back to Holden as a warranty claim after a lot of arguing with the service dept. They finally decided to replace the clutch. Holden decided to call this a good will gesture. |
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| POSTED BY: WAYNE BELL - LOFTUS, NSW - AUS, 26/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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RENAULT SCENIC RX4 0: RE: PROBLEMS *FEEDBACK WANTED* |
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I would love to get contact numbers of all Renault RX4 owners or past owners as I am extremely distressed about my vehicle and the way I am being treated by Renault Northcliff, especially Morne the service manager. |
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| POSTED BY: RENEE WRIGHT - NORTHCLIFF, SOUTH AFRICA, 26/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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========== ORIGINAL POSTING ========== "Has anyone had problems with Renault RX4 differential or transfer box" POSTED BY: WAYNE PREECE - LICHTENBURG - SOUTH AFRICA 19 APR 2007 ========== REPLY ========== Hello to everyone out there who has been unfortunate enough to have bought Renault Scenic 4x4! This vehicle is an out and out death trap ... We were just about to go driving in Mpumalanga. The afternoon before we left we were driving along and all of a sudden we had No Brakes! Imagine driving on the mountain routes in Mpumalanga and finding you have no clutch and no brakes. The garage who sold us this second hand vehicle sent it to Renault 4 times to have it fixed. 1st, 2nd and 3rd times it came back, we were told it had been fixed ... wrong same old problem week after week! The last time it went to Renault I called the head office and had to get quite angry in order to get anything done. Finally they seemed to have fixed it. But my question is for how long. When I am going to be driving along and suddenly find I have no brakes again ... Why do Renault allow this to happen? They obviously are aware that this car has a major defect! Has anyone had this problem fixed and then go on to develop the same problem again and again? We all need to come to together and make Renault fix their faulty and dangerous cars. They will just keep on dismissing individuals because they can, but if we all act together and make a big noise and bring it to the attention of media in our various countries and shame Renault into doing what they should. Please! Before Someone Dies As A Direct Result Of This. POSTED BY: NAOMI - JOBURG - SOUTH AFRICA 26 JUN 2007 ========== REPLY ========== I too have listed a complaint on this site about my RX4. I have a court case coming up about my RX4 when the gearbox exploded 3.5 years ago. I am trying to take the garage to court who replaced 3 gearboxes and 2 diff's and they all exploded and they then tried to charge me £20,000 to get my car back. Renault will take nothing to do with it and I could do with any help you could give me. I have not seen my car for 3.5 years and have been left paying £305 a month for the last 3.5 years. Many thanks. POSTED BY: KEVIN ARMOUR - GLASGOW - UNITED KINDOM 14 JUL 2009 |
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HOLDEN COMMODORE VY 2003: GIBBONS HOLDEN - WOEFUL HARD SALE TACTICS *COMPLAINT* |
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In May 2007 I assisted a friend with regards to finance for a vehicle he had signed up to purchase through Gibbons Holden. Some upset happened between my friend and his girlfriend between signing the contract of sale for the vehicle and meeting to sign up for the finance. This ended with his girlfriend refusing to be a part of the finance deal for the car. This was explained in person on the night of sign up that finance would have to be re-assessed in my friend's name only and the girlfriend's name removed. |
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| POSTED BY: KELLY CRAWFORD - PERTH, WA - AUS, 25/07/2007 PROVIDE FEEDBACK | ||
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