SUBJECT:
LAND ROVER FREELANDER, 2000 - Get rid of it NOW!
"Now that
I have traded my 2000 Freelander (for $10,000 or $3,800 net - after
repairs) I would like to add my story to the long list of outraged
Freelander owners. Firstly I would say to any prospective Landrover
buyers...Don't ! For any Freelander owners ... get rid of it NOW!
My 1.8lt petrol Freelander blew its head gasket right on queue at
60000kms. I was told by a mechanic that the problem was a design fault
in the cylinder linings, and there is no repair procedure. My only
option was an engine replacement. The car was "off road"
for 6 weeks and the ordeal cost me $6,200 in repairs and I lost another
$17,000 in depreciation over 5 years. The re-sale value of this car
is appalling. I asked a Landrover dealership mechanic if this is a
common fault with this car..he said "no more common than any
other car". I then spoke to a salesman in the same dealership
and asked for a trade figure on my Freelander in it's current state
and he said.."The trade value will be low because the engine
in this model has some reliability issues". Landrover Australia
washed their hands of the problem saying that the car is out of warranty
and they will not cover ANY repair costs. I have been told by several
mechanics that the 1.8lt engine fitted to Freelanders has a life span
of between 50000 and 100000 km's. Because of the design flaw they
will ALL fail and the only option is replacement. Landrover should
face reality and take responsibility for this poorly built motor car.
I am now rid of my Freelander, but I had to take a personal loan of
$10,000 which will now take me years to pay off ….. all thanks
to Landrover !! I recommend anyone with the same Freelander story
should contact the ACCC. They are building a profile for this issue.
If they receive sufficient complaints indicating a pattern, they will
take action.
I would like to
add that after further investigation it seems the replacement engines
supplied by Land Rover Australia to their dealerships at a cost of
over $5,000 (to the vehicle owner) are exactly the same engines as
fitted at the time of vehicle manufacture. This means that even repaired
Freelanders will suffer the same fate at between 50,000 and 100,000
kms. I called Land Rover Australia and asked if the engines they were
selling as replacements have had and modification to overcome the
cylinder lining problem. The representative said there was no product
recall in place and there is “no problem with this engine”.
This is despite mounting documented evidence to the contrary, including
Land Rover’s technical own bulletin 0036 issued 18 June 04 which
was distributed to its dealerships worldwide. This trading practice
is incredibly dishonest given that the problem is widely known. Land
Rover is the only winner in this whole mess, as they get to sell even
more of these engines to the unsuspecting public. If you are living
the “Freelander nightmare” right now, I urge you to bring
your story to the attention of the ACCC. Those affected by the Freelander
Head Gasket problem should visit http://freelander.webhop.net/ and
http://home.austarnet.com.au/edwardsonline/freelanderheadgasket for
more information and advice. Let Land Rover know how you feel by writing
to The General Manager, Land Rover Australia, Locked Bag 2214 North
Ryde NSW 1670. You should also complain to the ACCC and the Office
of Fair Trading in your state.
08/08/05: It is
widely accepted by 4WD mechanics that Freelander K-series 1.8lt engines
are known to drop the cylinder liners into the block. Because the
liners are steel and the block is alloy, the liners being harder,
work their way into the block. The bad news is; If the liners are
too low, the engine needs to be replaced - this is fact, confirmed
by Land Rover. In some cases engines have been replaced several times,
at average intervals of only 50000 km. That's not just bad luck, that's
a design fault. Just a reminder to all "Land Rover Freelander
Head Gasket Failure" victims in Australia. If you have made a
claim against Land Rover Australia and are unhappy with the response,
you should put your concerns in writing to the ACCC office in your
state. Go to http://www.accc.gov.au/content/index.phtml/itemId/54229/fromItemId/3634
for postal addresses. The ACCC is now collecting data on this issue
and will pursue the case if there are sufficient complaints indicating
a pattern." T Edwards
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SUBJECT:
HOLDEN VY UTE, 2003 - How about a fair deal for your consumers
Holden
"Holden VY
UTE 2002/2003 purchased 31/3/2003. It was a demo model with 1500Ks
and I paid $37000.00. It has been returned 17 times for problems;
water leaks (unresolved), a diff has been replaced, the car has had
three alternators, it has had a clutch replaced, it has had a new
console put in the car due to peeling paint, and numerous other problems.
I have been to the Dept. of Fair Trading and I am now waiting to present
my problems to the Consumer Trader and Tenancy Tribunal in New South
Wales. The stress and inconvenience and costs associated with this
type of problem are unacceptable. The Dealer does not want to know
about the problems. Holden have the standard line "we will fix
the problem" and the problems still occur. My car is a safety
issue and I believe that Holden are waiting till my warrenty runs
out and they will be well rid of me. There is no transparency when
dealing with Holden...they will not admit to any common problems they
have with certain makes and models... protectionism is the name of
the game and never admit liability. How about a fair deal for your
consumers Holden. The Holden Customers who purchase cars with problems
should be entitled to an outcome which does not impact on the customers
financial position or on his health. As tax payers we finance Government
Depts. which have the responsibility to investigate and resolve complaints
regarding faulty goods and services.....does this include cars!!!!
How do Holden users who have issues regarding quality, collectively
approach Holden? Maybe we could do this via the media and ask the
general public to register there complaints with a central contact
address. It will only be when the consumer is not in isolation but
part of a concerned group that the mighty Holden Company may have
some respect for its consumers." contact email: abrookes@ozemail.com.au
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SUBJECT:
HOLDEN VECTRA - You build rubbish
"Holden Vectra
- gotta tell ya ... bought a used (less than one year old) Vectra
in 98 with 18000ks and in seven years this vehicle has cost more in
repairs to keep it on the road than it has in fuel! The car has been
serviced by the book and on time.
* Camshaft position indicating sensor for Computer replaced at 50k
(cost $550)
* Front brake pad sensors and rotors at 80k ($800 parts $250 labour)
* Snapped timing belt at 93k (recommended replacement 120k in original
handbook) four bent valves (cost $1200). Also amazing how Holden now
recommends replacement at 100k. How about facing up that
you had a problem Holden.
* Squeaky pulleys replaced 97k ($400)
* The car continually stalls now which we believe is a faulty computer
($700 plus labour)
* Airbag sensor faulty (replacement $270)
* Exhaust replaced at 92k ($320) and I've never replaced an exhaust
in a car so young
These problems are fairly common it seems from these pages here. Holden
can hardly give the new model away because most people are smart enough
not to be bitten twice by poor quality vehicles. The dealers hate
it when you point out its basically a Camira motor in them and we
all know how good they were. Me ....I'm buying a Toyota. Good luck
Holden.You want to know why you're number 2. You build rubbish."
M Nelson
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SUBJECT:
NISSAN PATROL 3.0 TURBO - Major safety issue
"I own a
nissan patrol 3.0 litre turbo intercooler that has done 51,000kms
now and is about to have a 3rd serpeco drive belt fitted to the car
because it has a high pitch squealing noise and the belt cuts out.
The car ran out of power and ran off the road with the engine shut
down and a flat battery. I have since found out that the car alternator
has a plug that can if fitted tight when made will intermittently
stop charging the battery and the motor will shut down under lack
of power to run the computer for the motor. The dealer knew straight
away what to look for as he had fixed the problem in other patrols
but Nissan did not put a warning out to let people know under their
duty of care. I also have found out that there are confidential memos
sent within the dealer ships regards faults that fits my trouble stated
as can happen and the later models have been rectified. They describe
the problem and the parts to fix it and state that they will rectify
it if it happens within the warranty but do not let the owners know.
This is now going to cost me over $1400.00 to repair because my car
is now out of warranty but I had the 2nd belt changed at 37,000km
and I was not informed at that stage nor did they rectify the damage
which is a new main crank pulley, complete water pump assembly plus
a new hydraulic belt tensioning pulley. I was wondering if anyone
out there could help me on this as they are saying that they Nissan
Australia and the dealer Mandurah nissan in W.A are not responsible
for what has happened about when my wife nearly had an accident by
being forced of the road by an engine malfunction and failure that
they had a safety confidential bulletin on the fault and they had
serviced my car at 37,000km and again at 40,000km and said nothing
and now they are telling me I have to pay for their failure to disclose
the safety news that would have prevented this. I have the dates and
number of the confidential nissan release and will take it to the
press if I can get support on this matter." I Johnson
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SUBJECT:
HOLDEN VY ONE TONNER UTE - I'm going back
to Hilux
"Ive had
my ute for about 18 months, and during that time the diff has been
replaced FOUR times, the power steering twice, and the gearbox once,
although it is almost "buggered" again. After ringing GMH
head office, off the record I was told it would be a good idea to
trade it in before the warranty expired. Good advice I'm going back
to Hiluxs from now on." C Mason
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SUBJECT:
AUDI A4, 2002 - warranty problem
"My company
bought an Audi A4 in 2002, but the car has been changed; the whole
part of the engine after one and half years. But I have not received
any Warranty documents for the new engine after having been told by
one of Audi Australia's manager, that I will have an extra one and
half years warranty after 3 years original warranty expires. Now I
have received a letter stating that the Warranty for the car will
expire this year." B Wu
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SUBJECT:
FORD FALCON BA 2004 - I wish I could take it back
"We purchased
a Ford Falcon Classic BA 2004 just over 3 weeks ago. It has been back
to the Dealership 3 times. Here are the problems
1) Shuddering through the steering wheel.
2) Shuddering when turning sharply at zero revs. (They have fixed
it! For now!)
3) Intermittent High pitched grinding sound around the wheels of the
car. (Dealership didn’t hear it, told me to bring it back when
it happens again!) Has anyone else had this problem?? Please
help.
4) Auto/manual gearbox sometimes thumps up gear, and you feel it.
5) When starting the car for cold the engine rocks at the beginning.
We had a Mit. Magna 2001 model and we never had any problems. Some
$30,000+ later only 3 weeks old and problems already. I wish I could
take it back. Very upset new buyer." P Connell
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SUBJECT:
KIA MENTOR SLX - pretty cheap car to maintain
"Kia mentor
slx ... leaking slave cylinder, vibrating brakes and handbrake not
adjusted properly. The leaking slave cylinder is no worries, all you
have to do is top up the fluid every six months. Vibrating brakes
disappeared after installing new pads at volvo and the handbrake works
despite yanking it all the way. Have done 127000 km with no engine
trouble and still using original battery. Pretty cheap car to maintain
too." G Farrow
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SUBJECT:
FORD TRANSIT 2.8 DIESEL - gearbox problems
"Thrilled
with my Ford Transit 2.8 Diesel. at 30,000 km started having problems
with the Auto transmission. The vehicle went back to Ford on numerous
occasions but the fault continued until 105,000 km where they had
the vehicle in for 4 weeeks. They had the vehicle in their shop for
almost 12 weeks in total. In the end they said they rebuilt the transmission
gearbox. Now they say this only has a 20,000 km warranty. I naturally
say this is not good enough for such a major item. I'd like a full
100,0000 km warranty on the gearbox, as without it I will have to
sell this vehicle. If Ford don't have much faith in this new/rebuilt
gearbox, how can I ?" skypilot
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SUBJECT:
RENAULT SCENIC 4X4 - so many complaints to Renault
"All started
when we, my wife and I (but very more "I") decided to buy
another Renault - another because I had already owned three in Europe.
And as we wanted and needed a car we thought Renault looked like what
we wanted. We bought our NEW Renault Scenic 4x4, on paper a strong
car and nice to see. It costs a lot of money and because of this anyone
would expect a very good car a very very good treatment and a very
very very good post sale
treatment. Instead ...from the start the problems ... read
in full " L Ferrari
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SUBJECT:
HOLDEN RODEO SPORTS TURBO DIESEL - I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER
HOLDEN
"My name
is Peter Murray from Algester in Brisbane, I write this because I
have had enough of Holden so called warranty service for my Holden
Rodeo Sports 3.0Lt Turbo intercooled diesel extracab, yes the top
of the range. Where do I start, currently the vehicle has travelled
40.000 km in 2yrs 2months. Let's go back to the time around the 10,000
km service, I advised the large holden dealer (ZUPPS) in our area
that there was oil coming from the intake pipe from the intercooler
to the engine at the top of the engine, (oil leak), the dealers response
was the oil filter was loose. Nothing done to rectify oil leak. Also
in the handbook the valve clearence was to be checked, no bolts were
loosened around engine, asked if they checked the clearences, advised
we listened to the engine. The front wheel bearing are greased at
the 10,000 km service for some reason, maybe they do not fully grease
them from new and the cost of gaskets are charged to the customer.
20,000 km service:
advised the dealer again about oil leak, again told oil filter was
loose. I complained that the oil can only come from one place, turbo
charger oil seal, would not accept my knowledge of engines. The dealer
removed the intake pipe and hose, "STAG" sealed the unions
to stop the oil leak. Advised about water leak at thermostat housing
and gasket, they never removed housing to check, only pressure tested
& cleaned coolant leak.
30,000 km service: again responded to the turbo seal fault to the
dealer only to be given a piece of paper from HOLDEN REPAC (Holden
returned parts assessment centre) Notice TL0731-0408 Turbo charger
oil leak diagnoses RA Rodeo 4JH1 Diesel engines, that this is a normal
characteristic and should not be misdiagnosed as a leaking turbine
shaft seal. B*******, the definition of "SEAL" means the
same, I have worked in the auto electrical and mechanical field for
33 yrs on all diesel engines of all sizes. This piece of paper is
so they can wipe their hands of all the faulty turbos away easily
at no cost to them, for when the seal gets really bad, the vehicle
will be out of warranty. Other inline faults can occur from burning
the oil, gumming up the top ring, loss of power, bore glazing etc.
The dealer understood what I said about the seal and commented "That
their hands are tied". Another inspection for the water leak
was carried out again, with no outcome. I also tightened the oil filter
so as not to leak in any situation. Advised the dealer of a noise
in the driveline but where unable to find. (Hoist tested not drive
tested).
40,000 km service: the list gets bigger, mentioned turbo, "No"
was the reply. Water leak again, finally replaced the thermostat housing
and gasket, hooray, no more leak. Advised noise in Diffential when
changing direction, Axle seals leaking, advised the fault in the differential
is possible making metal and have damaged axle seals. Replaced seals
and advised me no noise in driveline but the body was loose. I told
the workshop foreperson to get in the car and I will demonstrate when
the noise occurs. Outcome, replaced 1 wheel bearing not 2. Told car
is ready to pickup, I test drove the car with the foreperson only
to get peeved of more because the noise was still there, again they
would not believe me about the diff. Lost and out of ideas (also I
said they can have the car until the noise is gone) the finally received
the go ahead from the holden representive to remove the differential.
From the parts that they fitted a full service was not done, again
cutting corners, the pinnion / flange assy had not been removed to
check the pinnion bearing (if metal caused the seals to leak), replaced
1 bearing and shims. The total time for this repair was 16 days, that
I was with out a service vehicle. I WILL NEVER BUY ANOTHER HOLDEN
PRODUCT EVER !" P Murray
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SUBJECT:
2000 NISSAN PULSAR PLUS - MOORABBIN NISSAN - anything to make
a buck
"Just
a quick note on the service department of Moorabbin Nissan (formally
Ken Morgan Nissan.) My wife and I purchased a 2000 model Nissan Pulsar
Plus which overall was a great car. Our problem were with a money
hungry service department. When we had the car in for it's 60,000
service we reported that the clutch pedal had a clicking sound when
it was depressed, this was a common fault with the car as we had the
same problem at 20,000. The remedy was to fit a new clutch cable,
no problems?
I received a phone
call from the service manager to say that the clutch was excessivly
worn and since they are replacing the cable that they should replace
the clutch.(not that replacing the cable requires the gearbox to be
removed) I told the service manager that the clutch was fine and to
just replace the cable. The car now has just completed 120,000 on
that same clutch that needed replacing.....these guys will tell you
anything to make a buck. PS on the same service I was also told the
front brakes needed replacing.....it was another two 12,000 services
before I had the parts replaced..." D Blogg
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SUBJECT:
2000 HOLDEN ASTRA CITY SEDAN - There should be a recall not
a cover up
"I purchased
a used 2000 Holden Astra City Sedan in August 2004 which had done
80,000KM and have had quite a few problems. The problems represented
are all common faults with the Holden Astra which I find very annoying.
When I first test drove the car from the used car lot, it drove very
well and I was quite impressed and proceeded to purchase the vehicle.
After about 87,000KM the car started to make a severe grinding sound
from the brakes. I took the car to a brake repairer who said the pads
were worn and so were the rotors and would require an $800 replacement.
I took this on the chin as the car was second hand. A few weeks later
I spoke with a friend who works for Holden and he informed me that
the brake pads provided with the Astra’s are absolutely terrible.
The pads are so hard he said, they will ware the rotors before the
pads even feel it. He warned me to have the cam belt in the car checked
as the manual with my model is so wrong about the maintenance schedule.
I was sort of over it by this stage and let it go and didn’t
pay any attention to the cam belt story .... read
in full " J Mackay
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SUBJECT:
CITROEN C5 V6 - transmission, brakes, electric window problems
"In December
2003 I purchased a Citroen C5 V6 which had been used by a Citroen
executive for the first 7,000km. Shortly after purchase the gear changes
became very noticeable, both jarring and loud. After persistant complaining
over several weeks and a second opinion, the transmission was replaced,
they also replaced the exhaust system to eliminate some vibration
and noise. I now have squealing brakes, and the workshop has had 2
goes at the problem. In the 2nd try the brakes seized and could not
be made to release which resulted in a 3 week wait for new callipers.
I still have the squeal. During Easter 2005 the electric windows have
malfunctioned, the front passenger window will not close and the driver
window will not stay open. All this in 37,000km." R Huntley
FURTHER COMMENTS:
"Re my Citroen C5, my previous gripes have been fixed, now the
anti polution gear is malfunctioning with 2 breakdowns in 2000kms
with the car coming to a dead stop on peak hour traffic. The steering
wheel had to be replaced due to blistering. The radio has been replaced
once and will now have to be replaced again." R Huntley
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SUBJECT:
HOLDEN ASTRA CONVERTIBLE - leather seat problem
"Excessive
wear on black leather seats. Has any one had a problem with the surface
of the leather seats. After just five months the surface of the leather
has worn away completely in a few places and Holden's response is
that it is considerd to be normal wear and tear. I hope not!!"
A Galipo
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SUBJECT:
2003 FORD BA XR6 - Brake shudder problem
"I have a
2003 BA XR6 in the "love-it-or-hate-it" colour, Citric Acid
- I love it. Brake shudder is my issue as one other person on your
great site. The front brakes were machined at 10,000kms, and now at
45,000kms service, I was billed for a new set of rotors $230ish on
top of the service costs. Clearly, there wasn't enough meat on the
rotor to machine it, but it isn't my problem that they appear to construct
the brakes from inferior alloys, whether or not the lack of asbestos
in pads is an issue I don't know. I was told by the Service Manager
(who I don't hold to blame) that the Premium Brakes don't shudder
- guess what....better quality material?! Many discussion forums are
full of these issues, and not just Ford. How on earth are they able
to construct these $40,000+ vehicles with known poorer quality materials.
What else is there apart from these obvious problems? Disintegrating
bodies on impact?" A Cooper, TAS
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SUBJECT:
2005 FORD BA FALCON XL UTE TRAY BACK - a few "minor problems"
"My first
new car - 2005 BA FALCON XL UTE TRAY BACK. 2 hours after taking car
I take it back with a few "minor problems" as when I was
shown car it was raining and didnt really check it too well:
*hail damaged ; *scratches on windows ; *scratches on front bumper
; *hydrolic lift don't work ; *tray not welded properly
*tray not made to specifications (noticed at start but was happy to
take it to tray builder myself)
*scuff marks on interior in more than 1 place ; *cob webs and decomposing
leaves in between rubbers and body as well as under hydrolic lift
tray
****** Oh I almost forgot its a July 04 model not a new 05 *******"
P Ardill
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SUBJECT:
FORD BA WAGON - problem with the seats
"We bought
a new Ford BA Wagon from Peter Warren Ford, Liverpool. We are extremely
disappointed with the seat trims. The back seat trim has been replaced
twice due to splitting at the seams. Both front seat trims have been
replaced and the driver's seat needs to be replaced again. Ford Motor
Company tell us that there is no problem with the quality of the seat
trims. Does this mean we keep having the trims replaced? It's all
under warranty but it is still a very big inconvenience. Has anyone
else had this problem with the seats in this model or any other Ford
Falcon?" Kerrie, NSW
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SUBJECT:
NISSAN X-TRAIL ST - I'll never buy another Nissan
"The closest
dealer to me is Corban in Nowra, half and hour away, so when there
is a recall it's at my cost to either get it there or have them leave
their courtesy car and drive the X-Trail in and back. When I suggested
Nissan should pay for my fuel since it was a manufacturer's fault,
I was scoffed at by Corban's employee. Well, now I don't have enough
petrol to last me until pay day and I don't see why I should have
to pay for the fuel to get the car to the dealer for a recall. The
other thing is when I bought the car I was told it could pull 2000kg.
Well, my horse and float combined is much less than that, but still
it burnt the clutch out and when Corban replaced it at a cost of over
$1,200 there was a terrible rattle. I was told they had to take the
engine out to replace the clutch. I went in time and time again to
say no, you still haven't fixed the rattle. In the end the manager
took it for a drive and yes, he could hear it, but was assured the
engine mountings were tightened last time. After my many complaints
and trips back and forth he checked it himself and lo and behold,
the mechanic had not replaced the WASHERS!!
Also, how can Nissan (or any car company I'd guess) say they offer
customer care? There is no place on their website to send a complaint
to Nissan and to call Melbourne not only costs money but you are left
waiting or you leave a message for someone to get back to you in 24
hours or never. Don't these people do courses in customer service?
My bet is they do courses to learn to avoid customers like the plague.
I'll a) never buy another Nissan and b) never buy a new car ever again."
Leone Britt, NSW
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SUBJECT:
HOLDEN ASTRA SRi TURBO - I’ve had enough
"My name
is Christian McCarty and I am a Business Development Manager, and
a Director of a very successful company based in Brisbane. A year
ago, I was proud to say I leased a brand new Holden Astra Sri Turbo.
The Arden Blue paint gleamed in the sunlight and it looked stunning.
I had a grin from ear to ear. Upon receiving the vehicle, I planned
a trip down to Sydney to pay a visit to my girlfriends family, and
to show off my car (as you want to do with a new one). I got down
there without a hassle. The car drove beautifully on the highway and
I loved every second of the trip.
Whilst driving
around Sydney, I had clocked up 3000km only. Driving home one night
after dinner, I took off from a set of lights under normal driving
conditions, and as I depressed the clutch and tried to grab 2nd gear,
I realized there was none. I had nothing except 3rd gear. As I was
only a few seconds from home, I drove it back in 3rd and parked it
and immediately called NRMA roadside assist. They were really good
to me. But the Astra, that was another matter. The whole gearbox cable
assembly had to be replaced, and quickly. I needed to get back to
Brisbane for a wedding. I rang the Holden dealer in Sydney, and told
them of my woes. He proceeded to tell me that I should forget about
the wedding and pass my groomsman honor to someone else. I flew back.
After receiving the car once more from the same Holden dealership,
I found it to be as it was. A good car to drive, although I had my
suspicions about the quality of the car. I drove it around for the
next few months and everything seemed fine, until I started having
computer problems. The ABS, Traction Control and Power Steering turned
off in the middle of moving traffic. The warning lights lit up like
a Christmas tree. I took it back to the dealer, they said they found
nothing wrong with it. They reset what the needed to and sent me on
my way. Then I had 3 tires go mysteriously flat. All top of the line
Bridgestone’s that came with the car. No holes. No damage. Just
flat.
Another month
or so went by, and I clocked up 14,000km. The leather started to wear
on both seats. I had one replaced, and one left as is due to different
“wear patterns”. The principal of the company received
a call from the State Service Manager, during which, he asked for
a copy of the customer service policy. He was kindly told where to
go, and hung up on. This was a top Holden executive? After being quite
upset as I couldn’t see the difference between wear, I stormed
off, knowing this would decrease the resale value of the car whence
it came to selling after the lease period was up. 5000km later, the
gearbox began to make funny noises when changing down. I thought maybe
I did something wrong, but it kept happening. I took it down to the
dealer I purchased it off. At this point in time, the noises were
quite severe. I was extremely enlightened by the service managers
explanation (and this is word for word quote) “maybe it’s
supposed to do that”. I told him quite kindly that he must have
been out of his mind, and they took it in to fix it. I got a call
2 days later saying the problem was fixed to I picked it up. 30 seconds
down the road, I changed down and it happened again. I was fuming
at this point in time, so I went over to one of Brisbane’s leading
Holden repairers. They quickly took the car and stripped the box.
I needed to new gearbox, at 22,000km. I wasn’t the only one
either. They had a black Sri Turbo there for the same problem. Holden
were quick to reply with not one, but 2 wrong model gearboxes. The
outcome of which meant 3 weeks without a car for me. I applied for
a rental car through Holden, but was told that I wasn’t able
to get one as I wasn’t 25. This was just the icing on the cake.
Too bad for the young people who buy brand new cars and have to do
without them for repairs. I wonder how they are supposed to handle
their work commitments?
The next problem
arose when the car started to sound like it ran on diesel. 27,000km
and I had to take it in again. The diagnosis was that the timing gear
and belt needed to be replaced, and they had to strip the block down
to see if it had damaged anything else. Another week and a half without
a car. I was overjoyed. My car was a wreck. My car has now done 31,000km
and I now have the Engine Management System warning light come on
as of today, the boot mechanism doesn’t work and the carbon
fibre inserts in the doors are peeling off. The leather is still wearing
(tried to use seat covers to minimize it, but what’s the use
of leather then?), the temp and fuel guage only works when it wants
to and Holden can’t find the problem, and I’m just about
to be diagnosed as clinically insane because of this. All I’m
waiting for now, is for the car to explode.
To add to the
great customer service, Holden recently sent out a survey to me. It
was great. They were more interested with the layout of the service
centre with plants and uniforms than actual service. Am I missing
something here? Are the consumers continually getting the raw end
of the deal? I’m not sure what to do, or where to go. I’m
about to ring the media to be honest. I’ve had enough of my
car (if you can call it that). It was my pride and joy, but now it’s
just a useless piece of machinery. If I can get my hands on a print
out of the history of what this car has had done to it, I shall forward
that also." Christian McCarty, QLD
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SUBJECT:
2005 SUBARU FORESTER 2.5 XS LUXURY - I wish I listened to my
wife
"I am writing
about my woes about Subaru 2005 Forester model. I own a Subaru 2.5
XS Luxury 2005 compliance plate car. I took delivery of that car on
10th October 2004 (Friday) from a dealership based in Sydney and my
problems started the next day onwards.
A: There was excessive jarring noise from the steering column, tried
in different positions, but the noise was there.
B: The entire car (all five doors plus the sunroof) rattled.
C: The wipers did not work. i.e. the wipers left a thin film of water
when they moved across (wiped) the wind screen leaving my practically
blind when ever it rained.
Took the car back
to the dealership on Monday (their service centre was closed on weekends).
And the said the rattles is due to couple of dongles attached to the
towbar (I know, they thought I was stupid). But I noticed that the
odometer reading did not change (between the time I left the car and
I picking up the car after the so called rectification). The dealership
claimed that they did a road test (without changes to the electronic
odometer... load of bulxhxx). Since, I had pressing engagements, I
had to drive my car to my home (I was not given a courtesy/standby
car) and noticed that the problems existed as it was reported. Called
the dealership next week and left it with them for rectification...
This cycle continued for four more times. During this period, the
car developed more problems:
D: The car leaked liquid and it still does... (the dealer reckons
it is the a/c fluid... surprise! Surprise!!).
E: The front passenger side airbag is coming off (peeling away) dealer
says the binding glue is coming off (unbelievable)
F: During my ride back from Blue Mountains a screw fell on my leg
(from the steering column area).
During my last
couple of visits the dealer gave me a courtesy car (one was a liberty
and another forester). I noticed there were no such problems associated
with the forester: However, All the problems I experienced in my Subaru
XS luxury are present in this car (another brand new car did only
573 kms). After five attempts over six months my problems still exist.
I have reported this problem/s to Subaru Australia and they haven't
done a thing. I am now left with no other options than to let the
people know of the perils of buying a Subaru: don't fall for their
ads showing driveability in rain. What good is a four wheel drive
if the wipers can't wipe off water during rain and you are practically
blind? While the Subaru captions may say this provides "Rough
road luxury". In reality you will not get your money worth. I
fell in love with the test drive I had on the test model. It must
be noted that I am not a first time buyer of car. My previous Toyota
camry had no such problems (I wish I listened to my wife)." S
Swaminathan
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SUBJECT:
HOLDEN ACCLAIM WAGON - I should have screamed and shouted
ages ago - Preston Motors and Holden
" I purchased
a Holden Acclaim Wagon in February 2003 from Preston Motors, Essendon
Victoria. The Car has had a leak in both rear doors for this time
and has been back for repairs approx 10 times. The last time was for
a period of 3 days. They have had it for 2day and 3 day periods before.
Is it fixed? I'll have to wait till we get some heavy rain. The car
currently has a broken Lumbar support in the front seat and a clunk
in the front end. Were these problems fixed on my cars last 3 day
visit to Preston Motors? "Sorry we forgot." I asked to be
sent a service report for the last work done and am still waiting.
I was told at various times by their "engineers" that they
were not tooled up to fix the leaks. One worker told me that if Holden
got involved they would do a better job? Great. I have no confidence
in the car and no confidence in the dealership. What do I do? The
car was purchased with a 5 year warrantee (Looks like I'll need it)
If I take it to another dealer I lose my warrantee. On the advice
of Consumer Affairs I tried to negotiate a trade in deal on a new
car taking into consideration the dealer's inability to fix the problems
and the fact that Holden had manufactured a Lemon. (The coil burnt
out in the first month or so and the doors would never close properly,
tailgate included, The mechanics and service people would say "They
all do that") You pay $40,000 for a car you think it would work
100%. On the trade in deal they offered me a ridiculous change over
price. I asked what Holden was contributing to the deal. The Dealer
principal told me that Holden wasn't interested. I asked Holden customer
service and also had a meeting with the District Manager. They had
no record of any conversation about the deal, had he even spoken to
Holden? Was I lied to??? I again tried to negotiate a trade in deal
in February. Once again they offered me a ridiculous changeover on
a 2004 plated model which already has depreciated . I again asked
what Holden was contributing to the deal? On road costs I was told.
That night on the TV, Holden are offering Everybody Free on road costs
for 2004 cars. Thank you Holden!
At no stage has anyone from the dealership offered any compensation.
"Great Customer Service" Preston Motors and Holden. If you
lose one customer you lose many. What a fool I have been for being
nice and polite putting up with this for 2 years. I should have screamed
and shouted ages ago but I didn't believe that was the way to solve
the problem. I am shouting now. " Paul O'Donohue
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SUBJECT:
NISSAN PULSAR ST - appalling customer service
"In October
last year I purchased a Nissan Pulsar ST L. When we were fist washing
our new car we noticed a slight bulge on both sides of the vehicle
where the bumper attaches to the body. We thought it may be part of
the design . This gradually became more obvious. About five weeks
ago I went to the Shepparton service centre at Thomson Nissan where
I had purchased the car the service manager took photos and said he
would contact Nissan about what he should do. I waited about two weeks
then rang him. I should not have had to chase this up I believe it
is poor customer service. He fobbed me off again. I believe the manufacturer
and the dealer must have been in dispute over who was to pay to rectify
the matter of an imperfect new car. I then went to see the manager
but he was unavailable but he rang home later and my partner told
him of the problem with the pulsar. I was then contacted by the service
manager to bring the car in . So I took it and it was put on a hoist
to be studied. I was told I would need to bring it back on Wednesday
9th March to be attended to .I thought it was just for the afternoon
,when I arrived I was told they would need the car overnight as the
part hadn't been ordered.When I got home I rang and asked for a courtesy
car but was told there was none available.So I had to make my own
way to work on Thursday. . During Thursday morning I rang to see how
my car was progressing and was told it wouldn't be ready till friday.
I asked for a car and was told they would bring me one at work when
I finished at 1:30pm but none arrived. So I walked 35 min's home My
whole afternoon wasted. I finally got a call and was picked up from
my Mooroopna home and taken to Shepparton Nissan to get a car to drive
whilst mine was being fixed. I rang at 11:00 today and have been told
that the part has arrived. So I am hoping I can pick it up this afternoon.
I have been very disappointed by the way I have been treated with
poor communication , lack of care, and been given a very old filthy
car to drive for the day.The customer service has been appalling.
Do others find it the same or is it because I'm a woman? I would like
to know what I should do about poor after sales service? " J
Taylor
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SUBJECT:
NISSAN PATROL 3.0 TURBO DIESEL - We need help
" I run an
Aid organisation called Care Outreach, we work with Rural families
through western Qld and NSW in crissis situations. After doing much
research on what was the best vehical for our work we purchased a
Nissan Patrol 3.0 Litre turbo diesel. I was very proud of our purchase
thinking this would do every thing that we need it to do. But it has
turned out to be a nightmare, It has spent more time in getting repairs
than it has getting our teams out helping people. So far we have spent
well over $7000.00 in repairs on things like Clutch, fly wheel,air
cond, vibration through the drive system,Intercooler, Auto locking
hubs and the list goes on. Even now we have a leak coming out of the
front of the motor, We get a huge vibration through the steering at
around 80 Ks which no one seems to be able to fix. This vehical is
used in life and death situations at times, I dont know what we can
do with this vehical, Our service is run by mainly volunteers and
we do not have big finance behind us, We need Help" Bill Close
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