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SUBJECT: FORD BA - Extremely frustrated

" I'm a tech rep so I do a lot of km's but the car I've had the most problem is my ford BA. The first major problem and of great safety concern to myself was the brakes. Under heavy braking the steering wheel shutters violently out of my hands. The service guys (Power Ford Castle Hill where it was purchased) have fixed it no less than 7 times. They just grind the disc's back but it reoccurs within 5000kms. After finally replacing all discs it is now a minor inconvenience but they said it was a common problem with that model having softer steel in the pads. I hear many others with the same problem but mine is more advanced because I do a lot of kms. The latest to happen which is why I'm writing this is the planetary gears have broken and guess what?...It has just done 105,000km so it's not covered by warranty (expected costs to be 5000-6000). After a week of renting a car for $100 a day they just tell me that I have to wait another 2 WEEKS for a part and I have to continue renting a car. Keep an eye on this model. I don't want other people to get caught like me. Another thing I noticed is Ford doesn't have a complains section on their web page. Too many problem and overloaded their network.
Extremely frustrated, Matt"

SUBJECT: HOLDEN - Astra Gearbox Extraordinary Price

" I would like to air my grievance with a car repair I am undertaking, and have it published as an appropriate warning to others with the same vehicle. My vehicle is a 1999 TS Astra with 120,000 kms. It's been very well cared for and serviced regularly. The manual gearbox started to become notchy and finally failed whilst changing gears in slow moving traffic. Upon having it towed to the nearest Holden dealership ( they wouldn't even arrange the tow for me) I was quoted $7500 for a new gearbox (without labour), $5500 for a rebuild with new parts, or $3000 for a 2nd hand gearbox fitted with only 6 month warranty and with 50,000 kms on it. A brand new Astra Classic is now worth $18000 with all onroad costs.

I cannot understand how one part can almost total half the cars brand new retail value. It's been a good car apart from having to have the timing belt changed every 30,000kms due to a manufacturing problem at $600 a pop. Given the expense of parts and repairing this vehicle I would certainly not
recommend it to anyone." David Locke

SUBJECT: MAZDA 626 - air conditioner problem

"I own a 1995 Mazda 626 V6 Hatch. I purchased the car new, and I've never been happy with the air conditioner. The unit must be operated flat-out to gain any comfort, and is simply inadequate. I complained to my Mazda dealer who checked the problem. They reported that the air, at the vents, was the correct temperature. They suggested two reasons for my complaint. Firstly, they suggested that the colour of the car would be a factor - dark blue/black. Secondly, they pointed to the amount of glass (front windscreen and rear hatch) and suggested that would cause the car's interior to heat up quickly. However, they claim the air conditioner is working correctly. I really like the car, but this problem is very annoying. I would really like to know if it is possible to upgrade the airconditioning. Is it possible to fit a larger compressor or condenser, and will this fix my problem ? Are there any other suggestions about how I can better cool the interior of the car ?" Geoff Jonas

SUBJECT: DAEWOO - Daewoo Nubira Service takes a Dive since GM Takeover

"I bought my Daewoo Nubira in 2001 at a time when they were offering Freecare and also a special offer of an extra year on the warrantee. Everything was going swimmingly until General Motors bought Daewoo and our servicing was then transferred over to Holden. It seems that having to honour the servicing agreement has been a bit of a albatross around Holden's neck because there has been a terrible decline in the level and quality of care taken in servicing since this happened. I have been presenting the car for servicing at the recommended times but recently was put in a dangerous situation because of an act of pure negligence on part of not one but two Daewoo approved servicing agents. At the last service the paperwork states that the brakepads were 80% worn, yet they failed to mention that the brakes would need changing before the next service. A couple of months later, before the next service was due, I took the car to get a pink slip and to have the tyres and brakes checked and a wheel alignment. They told me everything was fine, passed the car for rego and told me I could hold off on the brakes and tyres for a while longer.

Recently I was driving the car in the rain down Old Bathurst Rd, down the Blue Mountains escarpment. I drive up and down this road several times a week, and those who know it will also know it is notorious for accidents as it is easy to loose traction on the hairpin bends in the wet. At that point, my brakes went metal to metal and it was a rather frightening trip down the plains. I also had my two young children in the car. Anyway, despite my efforts and protestations, nobody wants to take responsibility, least of all General Motors Holden and I had to pay out over $600 in repair cost for something which should never have happened. On this basis alone I would never buy a Holden, or use a Holden service, and I am due to upgrade my car this year. I would be interested in hearing from any other Daewoo owners who are also having problems with servicing since the Holden take over*. I must add that apart from this really bad experience, the Daewoo (not the GM Daewoo but the one made in Korea before the takeover) has been a fantastic car. It hasn't skipped a beat since I bought it and has lasted the distance really well. It still looks great and drives well and it is a great shame they had to be bought out by Holden because otherwise I would have bought another one. On the other hand I have owned 3 different Holdens over the years; a Gemini, a Camira and a Commodore and they were all crap and always having to be fixed. In fact the Gemini had been garaged for about 80% of the time and it still rusted to pieces. That's Holden Quality!" Lenore Butt *to contact

FURTHER COMMENTS: "Regarding the service issue since Holden took over. Well, I'm out of my Warranty so I do not go back to the original place where I got mine from as I had a similar experience just not the Pads but the Break discs needed replacement, and the Pusharms as well but this was known to be a factory problem so after long arguing with the dealer we settled on free parts and I pay for work. However there is one thing which had me put a bit off track! After only 49,000 km I had a fall out of the camshaft belt and lost all of my valves ... in the middle of morning traffic - was not a nice picture... I just tried to check if I can get some payback from Daewoo's their manual states this should be changed at 90,000 km and not break at 49,000 km as now many of mechanics told me. Apart from that its a great little car!"

SUBJECT: NISSAN X-TRAIL PROBLEM - warranty - Duncan Nissan

"We have a Nissan X Trail, purchased from Duncan Nissan on the 15/2/02, 1BAE 173. It was taken into Duncan Nissan in Vic Park, Perth WA several weeks ago because it was using a lot of oil with only 96,000km on the clock. The car is still under warranty and Nissan Australia is supposedly doing something about it. Firstly a new CAT converter was fitted and then they required us to drive 1000km, road testing at our expense, which we did, using 4 plus litres of oil. They now tell us that they have taken the head off but see nothing obviously wrong and have requested further tests. At no time during the period has anyone rung us with an up to date report. We have been without a vehicle now for over 3 weeks and have no indication of how long Nissan are going to prolong the procedure of making this vehicle roadworthy again. We falsely understood that a Nissan warranty was something that could be relied upon and in the past our experience with Nissan Maxims x 3 has been very satisfying but now I am fast loosing confidence in your organization.
I am sending this email in the hope that the necessary repairs on this car can be fast tracked, as this is proving to be a very costly exercise and frustrating, with our patience fast running out. We know there are other avenues for us to take our complaint, but feel that we should first make you aware of our dissatisfaction . Yours sincerely CLIVE ELLIOTT"

SUBJECT: NISSAN X-TRAIL PROBLEM - warranty (RE: COMPLAINT FROM CLIVE ELLIOTT - SEE ABOVE)

" I have exactly the same model Nissan X Trail with exactly the same problem. The problem is excessive engine oil usage and severe engine internal noise. I too have taken the vehicle to my local Nissan dealer however in two weeks have not heard from Nissan at all. Yesterday I visited the dealer to attempt to acertain what is going on and found the complete engine assembly out of my vehicle. More surprising was another X Trail was parked beside my vehicle in the same disassembled condition with exactly the same problem. From what I can gather from the dealer is that Nissan are quiet on this one too. Seems to be a pattern emerging. I phoned the Nissan customer service manager in Melbourne re my warranty last Friday( 28/1/05), she was totally unhelpful and gave me no information whatsoever despite a lengthy chat. From what the dealer tells me they are having the same problem. Nissan obviously have a problem but it seems they are unwilling to admit to it, pity really, because I believe the X Trail is a good concept. I too have owned Nissans previously and been pleased with their performance however my confidence is beginning to wane." Jeff Smith

SUBJECT: KIA CARNIVAL PROBLEM - Don't touch!

"Don't touch a Kia Carnival! Ours is 5 years old with 130000ks and has now appears to have blown its second engine. The first engine lasted 70000ks and was replaced under warranty. The replacement engine was supposed to have solved the problems but it has only lasted 60000ks. We are now looking at a repair bill that looks like it will be well in excess of $5000. So much for the low purchase cost! When this is repaired this car will be replaced as I have had enough. This car has also had front brake discs and pads replaced at 30000ks. The replacements have not yet needed replacing (including pads) so it wasn't the style of driving. The handbrake took nearly 2 years and 50000ks for Kia to get it working, eventually by replacing the entire assembly. O2 sensors were replaced. I almost had a service station closed after the seal between the fuel tank and filler hose failed while refuelling the car and spilled petrol under the car all over the service station driveway. The car has numerous squeaks and rattles which no one has been able to fix. When you reach your 100000k service you will need a second mortgage on your house to pay for the 3 timing belts on the car which Kia charges $500 - $600 for and you cannot source anywhere but Kia. Friends refer to this car as the lemon. If Kia cannot provide an engine that lasts more than 60000ks they have no business selling cars! I will never touch another Kia product." S Rashleigh

SUBJECT: HONDA ODYSSEY - air conditioner problem

"I have a 6 month old Odyssey in immaculate condition with not scratches,dents etc. After 5 months the air conditioner ceased to work. When Honda looked at it they called me to say they could fix it for $860 as it is not a warranty problem. They said there is a tiny hole in the condensor tube they may have been hit by some very small road debri from driving. They said when they fixed it they would put a protector plate in front of it to stop it happening again. Our point to Honda has been that they are either manufacturing this part without making it strong enough or inadequatley protecting it. They took 9 days of me driving four young children around in 39 degree heat, to reply to our fax that we sent four times. Their reply was we can be of no assistance to you in this matter. This is our third Odyssey in less than 4 years, surely we deserve better service. " Nicole Holland

SUBJECT: NISSAN MAXIMA TI PROBLEM - cracks in the dash

"I purchased my Nissan Maxima TI in late 1999 the manufacture plate states it is October 1999 manufactured vehicle. This vehicle has done 87,000km since purchase it has been kept when not being driven in an enclose carport as I have 2 vehicles I use my other vehicle to save the Maxima I look after my car keeping it clean and polished and use amoral on the dash so I was surprised to find that I had a hairline crack in the dash vinyl which I had repaired approximately 4 weeks ago I now find I have 7 small hairline cracks in the dash vinyl these cracks are all above the instrument panel and I don't know who I can contact about this problem to see if I can get some help. PS The service record for the Maxima is up to date and has been service regularly."
Barry Speck
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SUBJECT: NISSAN PULSAR PROBLEM - Northside Nissan

"To Nissan Australia and Northside Nissan: I am sorry to have to write to you but I wish to pass on how dissatisfied we are with your after Sales service, mainly the Service Section when getting our car serviced. We purchased our new Nissan Pulsar from NorthSide Nissan Wangara WA December 2003. My main complaint is the latest service we had just prior to this Christmas 2004 for our 20000kms service. We have had extremely poor fuel consumption from day 1 approx 420 out of a full tank. I have reported this every service and this time they said they could not find anything wrong and would contact the main dealer in the eastern states. They said they would get back to me when they heard from them about possible ways of solving the problem. I am still waiting for there reply!!!!! I purchase a genuine Nissan spoiler through Nissan and had it fitted by them to when I purchases the car. We have had trouble with the boot coming down especially on a windy days and causing injury to my wife’s head on 2 occasions. Have reported this each service but was told because a spoiler has been installed it needs, a stronger boot spring was required. This was never explained when purchasing the vehicle or on installation of spoiler. No Duty Of Care. On my last service I requested the price of the so called strong spring and was told they (Northside Nissan) would call me and let me know. 2 weeks later still waiting. !!!! On receiving my vehicle back after last service we noticed a large lump of grease on the floor mat where obviously the seat runners were lubricated. My wife had to wipe and pick up the of grease off the floor with a tissue. Also when we received the vehicle back an attempt had been made to so called detail the vehicle. I realize this is a an extra service but the attempt was pitiful.While my vehicle was in for service the service person rang me and asked if I would like the wheels rotated at a cost of $20. This use to be part of a new vehicle service. I declined. When I went to pick up the vehicle I was told the wheels had been rotated anyway (at no cost) because they had the wheels off ( I assume to inspect the brakes). So why was the charge going to be added in the first place. Another way to make more money off people.

To some up my service history on our new Pulsar, we are extremely disappointed and annoyed especially of the so called follow of problems. I have a Toyota Camry from new (5 years old now) and have had nothing but excellent services, friendliness and follow sessions with them and I am now considering having my Pulsar serviced by Toyota. I have already contacted Toyota and are more then happy to take on my business. Maybe you should send your service adviser there to see how they conduct the Service section and take a leaf out of there book. Extremely Disappointed R Harfield
PS. My wife mentioned that she just receive a text message on Friday to see if we are happy with the service we received. Needless to say NO we are NOT.. " Bob Harfield, WA

SUBJECT: HOLDEN VECTRA PROBLEM - Hunter Holden & Holden warranty

" .... I am out of pocket over $900 when all I’d wanted was a $175 service and still without any bolts in my inlet manifold. As the Holden warranty only covers the first $1000 of any repair it seems fairly obvious that thge Holden warranty is worth considerably less than the paper it's written on. Safe to say there is no possibility of my ever doing business with any Holden dealer again" J Brown, NSW - read in full

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